Zhilei Zhang vs Joe Joyce II - September 23, 2023

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Perkin Warbeck, Sep 4, 2023.


Zhilei Zhang vs Joe Joyce

Poll closed Sep 25, 2023.
  1. Zhang by KO/TKO

    59.6%
  2. Zhang by decision

    7.9%
  3. Joyce by KO/TKO

    13.9%
  4. Joyce by decision

    11.3%
  5. Difficult to predict, could go either way

    7.3%
  1. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joyce doesn't know how to block a straight left. Zhang rearranges his face again.
     
  2. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    I hope the winner of this faces Usyk.

    I really don't want to have to see Hrgovic get slapped around by Usyk
     
  3. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    His face is his defense.
     
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  4. VOXDEI

    VOXDEI Active Member Full Member

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    I don't know what changes Joyce could realistically make in 2 months at age 37 that would make enough difference to overturn what was, last time, a brutal beating.

    Jab and run is probably his best bet, but he's so ****in slow.

    Big bang by late stoppage.
     
  5. BlackDog

    BlackDog Active Member Full Member

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    Very bad matchup for Joe. In first fight ppl did not appreciate Zhang performance in Hrgovic fight (even he lost by a little) where he show big punching power and very strong chin. Many thinking that Hrgovic was poor but that was not true.
    Joe is slower than Zhang (hand speed), got less 1 punch power, and he got no defence. He is not stronger too. Only advantage he have is stamina but to use it he must survive first half of fight with good health what will be very hard with his appetite to eat all punches. Zhang 1 punch power can be one of the best today in division.
    I see not chance for Joyce to find his spot to look better.
    In his age he will not have better deffence (and if he try to hard to not get hit he will loose on points and give Zhang stamina comfort for whole fight)
    He cant punch harder.
    He will not be quicker.
    Probably he can be less sure about his chin because he was wobbled hard in second round of first fight.
    For me this fight can end his story in top of division.
     
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  6. _Scott_

    _Scott_ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Always told that Zhang is the hardest puncher (behind Wilder) in the heavyweight division and he will show it again in the rematch. Easy repeat.
     
  7. zicas

    zicas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Zhang stops him again.

    Joyce isn't going to suddenly learn head movement and slick defensive skills at 37.
    Zhang is very tricky with his punch selection and placement, has good timing and distance management in addition to his big left hand.
     
  8. TheWizard

    TheWizard I Got Milk Baby Full Member

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    Zhang is one of the worst matchups for Joyce in the entire divison. I still believe Joyce is gonna win though. He'll survive the first half of the fight this time and knock a tired Zhang out late on (will take a lot of punishment in the process though). War Juggernaut
     
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  9. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Big bang Zhang
     
  10. venbox

    venbox Active Member Full Member

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    Joyce's chance relies solely on getting Zhang´s gas tank emptied before Zhang can do any fight-ending damage on him. If he goes in there trying to take out Zhang early then it's the same outcome as in the first fight.
     
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  11. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think this fight could be career ending for Joyce as another KO might permanently dent his chin. It's too bad because I think he can beat 5 or so top 10 guys, just not Zhang.
     
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  12. BlackDog

    BlackDog Active Member Full Member

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    I think ppl oversize Zhang stamina problem. He go 12 rounds with Hrgovic who throw 700+ punches.
    No one with poor stamina cant survive 12 rounds like that.

    Off course Zhang style is very "economical" and he got whole rounds when he rest and not being active but he still throw sharp punches then and he is far away from lost fight before last bell.
    Joyce can be active, got great engine but his tactic dont work good on Zhang. He will be not heart by this close punches where force go only from hands and he always will be do more damage by his sharp, quick hands.
    No idea how he can use better stamina to win this when he must do twice work what opponent and he take much more damage on fight.
     
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Big Joe came in much lighter for the first fight, if he comes in heavier this time he will have more pop on his pop. Let us not forget that he can punch too. Not as hard as Big Bang can but he's a giant of a man and when he sits down on his shots they carry big power.

    But one cannot emphasize enough how imperative it is that Big Joe finds the right balance for his slow-fast speed for this fight and if he gets it wrong again on the night I guarantee you he will lose again.

    Mark my words, and if you're reading this Big Joe or any of your team are I beg of you please please heed this warning because I really know what I'm talking about here and I'm very seldom wrong, if your slow-fast speed equilibrium is even slightly too slow or too fast you will lose this fight. It's game over and you're no spring chicken anymore, champ.
     
  14. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think this will be a closer fight with Joyce boxing more early on. I still think Zhang has the advantage in speed and power and will eventually catch up to Joyce and stop him.
    But I could also see Joyce stopping Zhang, but feel that is more unlikely.
     
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  15. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    sadly you know Joshua will win if it goes to the cards, no matter what happens in the fight.