Zhilei Zhang vs. Joseph Obey Joyce II & Pierce O'Leary vs. Kane Gardner RBR.

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    1. They never should've taken the fight, especially given it was a voluntary and Big Joe was already in the mandatory position

    2. They never should've taken the rematch
     
  2. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah, yeah sure AJ gets obliterated by Zhang. Cool story. And that Fury is this mythical H2H beasts, yet he is scared to death and is fighting Chisora and Ngannou level of opponents.
    Not to mention the shape he is. And you can bet anything that there ia no comeback this time from being that out of shape, as everyone body has limits.
    And Fury quickness is long, long ago.
    If a C level fighter like Wallin open him like that, imagine what Zhang will do to his face. Fury cardio is one big myth as well.

    And AJ actually knows he can beats Zhang, as he already done it, and also KD him hard in the amateurs.
    It's funny reading such posts, as the same was said for Joyce and how hw would have beaten AJ.
    AJ footwork, IQ, high guard, defense, speed and power, and jab will give Zhang all kind of problems and AJ actually has the power to hurt Zhang, and can also outbox him.
     
  3. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's difficult to disagree mate, I'm not sure where he can go from here, a title chance is non existent at this point and yeah he's far removed from the two fights you mentioned, I still think Zhang is just a really bad matchup for him, that was a poor choice of opponent in my book.
     
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  4. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ok, of Joyce has that slow-fast deception, then Zhang has that old-young, fast-fat thing going on.

    If you footwork or defense is suspect, he'll clean out your cuckoo clock.
    It not the amateurs no more. Yea, anything is possible but I got Zhang at this point. AJ doesn't have the same free aggressive style he once did and struggled with Usyk's lefty style (granted Usyk is much faster) but still. Also AJ didn't do too well against Ruiz's hooks too. We'll see what happens.
     
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  5. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Two things:

    1) That was vicious from Zhang. A beautiful KO.

    2) And not to downplay Zhang who deserves every bit of credit coming his way but when will people stop drinking the Kool Aid on Joyce? He’s very, very average.
     
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  6. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Vargas was not an elite fighter Full Member

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    Rocky had a better defense than Joyce does.
     
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  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ruiz, Usyk and Zhang has nothing in common. Usyk and Zhang are lefty and that's it.
    Also does people still forget that AJ did circle around Ruiz and beats him 12-0???
    Another prove it's not that easy to win rematch straight away. And AJ done it with ease and people talk about AJ not being mentally strong, just lol.

    I got no problem with you thinking that Zhang will or can beat AJ. And i like Zhang. At the end of the day everyone has an opinion. Mine is not better than yours.
    My problem is with people make Fury some kind of mythical H2H monster, yet he is scared of everyone with a pulse. And also that gives him attributes he has long lost.
    And his shape currently.... He is done at top level. Zhang will absolutely destroys him. Zhang calls him out. If Fury is so good, he will accept the fight.
     
  8. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Vargas was not an elite fighter Full Member

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    Zhang is far better than AJ`s last opponent and AJ looked tentative in that fight, Zhang is far better now than he was in the amateurs, if he met the AJ he met from the amateurs he`d destroy him, AJ was really thin and green in the amateurs.
     
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  9. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    He was so obsessed with guarding against the left, he got clipped with the right. See... the ploughing forward with a tight guard and bullying him along the ropes that I wanted to see, would've been the best strategy.:lol: Still might've lost, but probably not that ****ing brutally and that early.
     
  10. Mark Anthony

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    No head movement.
     
  11. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    What the **** does that have to do with what I said? Think before you post random stupid **** Mark.
     
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  12. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Styles make fights again. I put my money on AJ still. And AJ last opponent was late, late replacement.
     
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  13. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The fact that Big Joe can still remain that gracious in defeat coming off such demoralizing back to back stoppage defeats and a devastating KO tonight is so rare and it just shows what a classy guy and good soul he is. I don't think he has a bad bone in his body and Big Bang is a real class act and very likeable too.
     
  15. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh!

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    Joyce was getting KTFO no matter what. This was Helenius/Kownacki all over again. Joyces kamikaze style simply caught up to him. a broken clock is right twice a day. Mark Ant is right for once.