Zora Folley how good is his resume?

The Roy Harris comparisons are a joke. Machen and Foley were far better fights. Harris was brave but terribly limited. So limited in fact that Cus actually let Floyd fight him.

 

I'm ready to ignore you like mcvey and hegrant. Lost your damn mind, is Machen or Harris even in my post?

 

Jesus Christ Folley and Machen are being so ridiculously overrated. Youd think both were heavyweight versions of Sugar Ray Robinson that could both box and punch, brawl and play chess, when in fact both were often so passive to a fault that each one had losses, gifts, and poor performances which illustrate why they never streaked across the HW sky like a comet and instead seemed stuck in second gear for their entire careers. You guys want to act like they would have just blitzed Roy Harris and the fight would have been a mismatch. The only guys that ever blitzed Harris were a legendary fast starting puncher and another aggressive puncher in Harris' last fight. Patterson had a hell of a punch and it took him twelve rounds to get rid of Harris. Cleroux was behind on points in their first fight, had wrestled Harris to the canvas three times without a warning, and after being dropped, getting to one knee quickly and then standing at 10 the referee waved the fight off claiming he missed the count. Folley and Machen very very very rarely ever blitzed anyone. Neither one were aggressive slugging punchers. Folley had some pop in his right but Harris wasnt exactly going to try to run into and unless you forced Folley to fight he was going to be in a dull bout more often than not. Odds would be that a Harris fight would go to a decision. And as passive as either guy could be it wouldnt be out of the realm of possibility to see a decision go to Harris. Was Harris any worse than Clarence Williams, who whipped Eddie Machens ass for 9 rounds before finally getting caught? Or Ruben Vargas who a lot of people though got robbed against Machen? Or Roger Rischer who held Machen even for 9 rounds?? Or Alonzo Johnson, who Machen was booed against? I dont think so. And none of those guys were ranked when Machen looked like **** against them. Was Harris any worse than Johnny Summerlin or Young Jack Johnson? Both of whom KOd Folley. Was he worse than Wayne Bethea, who Folley struggled with twice?? The idea that Harris was so far out of their league is ridiculous. Nobody is saying he was a great fighter but frankly neither was Folley or Machen. They were very good contenders who due to their passivity couldnt muster wide support. When they actually fought the turned in such a **** poor showing that some of the audience was calling for Pete Rademacher to get into the ring and save the show. Thats pretty damning considering how low you hold Rademacher. Harris got the title shot, Machen and Folley blew theirs when they had the chance. Deal with it.

 

Just because Folley was a dangerous fight for Floyd doesn't mean he would lose!

I would bet on Patterson over Folley any day at even odds.

 

How bout Ernie Schaaf as a top contender.

Max Baer
James j Braddock
Tommy Loughran 2x
Young Stribling
Paulino Uzcudun
Tony Galento
Johnny Risko
Tuffy Griffith
Jim Maloney

All by age 24 before he perished against Primo.

 

Chronological order of events and context is important too.

 

That all looks good but compare those records as they stood when Harris actually got his title shot:

Roy Harris' wins

Willie Pastrano
Alejandro Lavorante
Willie Powell
Bob Baker
Willie Besmanoff

Eddie Machen' wins

Nino Valdes 2x
John Holman
John Summerlin
Bob Baker
Tommy Jackson

Zora Folley's wins


Nino Valdes
Wayne Bethea 2x


Yeah, a whole lot seperates those guys as contenders :roll:. Again, hindsight is lovely but there wasnt exactly a gulf in what these guys actually proved. Furthermore Im not exactly sure what you think Bethea brought to the table. Other than being durable he was nothing special at all.

Your point about film is silly because we have four films of Harris: short HLs of his bout with Patterson, his loss to Liston, a short clip of his bout with Cleroux, and some training footage. Basically you have three losing efforts and all are very short. I wonder how impressed you would be with Machen and Folley if all you had of them was their bouts with Johannson, Doug Jones, Johnny Summerlin, etc. Youd being saying they sucked and itd because you have an equally skewed view. Would anyone be talking about Dempsey if the only footage they had was him against Gene Tunney and Jim Flynn? No, theyd say he was clueless.