Zora Folley how good is his resume?

Mongoose

You also have to take into consideration after the Machen defeats, valdes went on a 12-2 run where he defeated several top 10 men and earned himself a number 2 ranking in the world, higher than pastrano ever achieved at heavyweight

 

Ok let me ask you some questions

Who had the better heavyweight career nino valdes or Willie pastrano?

Who would have won between a 1956 nino valdes vs 1958 Willie pastrano

Is there anyone during pastranos 12-0 run that you would have favored to beat valdes?

I do apply standards to valdes. He had many losses during this period but they were to all top 10 guys

 

I am interested in how pastrano got so badly outboxed by joe Erskine. Angelo Dundee called Erskine a master boxer. I have plenty of film of erskine, he was no master boxer. Even on a bad night how did pastrano lose to him? Valdes smashed out erskine in 1 round

 

Pastrano fought archie Moore in 1962 who was 45 years old and had a roll of fat around his midsection. Valdes fought archie moore in 1953 and 1955 at ages 36-38 when moore was champion, in peak shape, and beating hall of famers. Valdes almost beat moore in 55 too, razor close decision.

Come on Steve, your going to tell me pastrano and valdes fought the same version of moore? It's not even close

Look at the difference between moore in 53 vs 62

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-FZBzGhxERg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi66CQ_ivDg

 

Nightmare head to head? Than why did he lose so often, even at 175? Jessie bowdry chic calderwood Wayne Thornton

Pastranos problem was he had no power. Nothing to keep people off of him. Pastrano himself admitted this. He also partied too much, had no dedication. He didn't throw enough punches, he got hit a lot for someone so good defensively

I think valdes had the style to walk pastrano down, maul him and smother him. And from the outside valdes talented 79" jab would connect often on Willie and enable valdes to score points everywhere. I think Willie never tested power like valdes before, and might crumble from the pressure. Valdes soundly out pointed Ezzard charles, who is a step up in quality from willie

 

Also Klompton

Do you think pastrano was a nightmare head to head in the heavyweight Division? Because his record doesn't back that up. The highest rated fighter he ever beat at heavyweight was # 8 john holman

 

Valdes had a talented long left jab. Holman did not have a good jab, that's a big difference in styles

Also I think correct me if I'm wrong Steve Compton is arguing that pastrano is capable of beating any version of valdes.

Do you share that opinion Edward? Do you think pastrano beats the valdes of 53-55?

 

But valdes proved he was capable of soundly beating hall of Famers with his Performance against ezzard charles. Charles got soundily defeated by valdes. Charles is a hall of fame heavyweight champion.

This victory means a lot, and you have to consider if valdes could figure out charles, he could figure out pastrano

 

Erskine a master boxer according to Angelo Dundee, did not have the punch to hold off valdes.

Pastrano himself admitted he lacked the punch to compete with heavyweights