Zora Folley vs. Cleveland Williams

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  1. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who takes this? Folley has a host of great wins in his career, and a good supporting resume as well. Williams on the other hand, has dozens of knockouts, but only proved to be world-class on a few select occasions. Both could hit, and both were fast, although speed clearly belonged to Folley and power to Williams. Although Folley was far more accomplished, he was not known for durability for his part, whereas Cleveland must have been fairly durable, despite all claims to discredit him. I like a two-fight series between the two. Folley outboxes Williams the first time, baffling him for the first seven rounds, but then staving off buzzsaw attacks in the final three rounds. In a rematch they battle toe-to-toe before Folley succumbs in 3 to 5 rounds. Maybe it's just my imagination. I think these two could be an interesting pair.
     
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  2. Richard M Murrieta

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    Zora Folley was a hero in my state. Even a prime Muhammad Ali could not find anything derogatory to say about Zora who was a consummate gentleman and professional. When he died from a pool accident at the local swimming pool, my mother, an LPN nurse took care of him prior to his passing. I remember that after Ali knocked out Zora on Marcg 22 1967, he felt bad for Folley's son, who was crying at ringside, he consoled his son, and called his family in Arizona, to tell them that Zora had fought very courageous, that he was going to be just fine. In a match against Cleveland Williams, Zora takes this one on points, sure he lost to fighters like Liston, Mildenberger and Terrell, but he was a very good boxer. He had more stamina than the Big Cat.
     
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  3. klompton2

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    Bad matchup for Folley. Disadvantages in height and reach, a very VERY passive style and a weak chin would spell doom for him in this one.
     
  4. William Walker

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    Yes, Folley was a very great guy. I remember he was one of the first fighters to address Ali by his Muslim name, thus earning Ali's respect. Is that on the level about your mom?
     
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  5. William Walker

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    So you are from Arizona?
     
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  6. Richard M Murrieta

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    Yes
     
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  7. William Walker

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    Not to nitpick, but the fight with Mildenberger was a draw, but it was considered a bad robbery at the time. Folley dropped Mildenberger twice, and boxed his socks off the rest of the time. Mildenberger defeated Machen.
     
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  8. Richard M Murrieta

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    She said that he was a very respectful man, it was a brain clot that took his life.
     
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  9. Richard M Murrieta

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    Very true.
     
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  10. William Walker

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    It's unfortunate. He seemed a great guy. A decorated Korea veteran turned very successful boxer with a family of 9 children. Not very old when he died, was he?
     
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  11. William Walker

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    Eerily though, Machen died just a month after, and of course Liston died in 1970. Very peculiar how close their deaths were together. Not that I'm insinuating that their deaths were somehow connected.
     
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  12. William Walker

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    So @BlackCloud, is this another one of those daily heavyweight threads?
     
  13. Richard M Murrieta

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    Yes he was.
     
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  14. William Walker

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    Folley also sounds like he was very locally active. Wikipedia says he was a member of the Chandler City Council.
     
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  15. swagdelfadeel

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    It's very telling When KLOMPTON of all people picks Williams :lol:
     
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