Why do people compare old time fighters to modern day fighters when they. . .

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  1. irishny

    irishny Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    This ^
     
  2. The_President

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    Actually, the music analogy is accurate and runs very parallel to sports. In each, most of the so-called stars today are created more by marketing (networks) than true talent. As example, it is more profitable for the networks to manufacture a star than to manage deal with the demands and ego of a true talent.
    Look at Frank Warden's management of Calzaghe or the Danish management of Kessler, where it was more profitable to tuck them away in their home environments fighting bums, rather than risk their paydays by bringing them to the mecca of boxing the USA. It was purely a marketing decision versus what was best for the sport. :yep
     
  3. Imperial1

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    Ill take Ezzard Charles right now over any current lt heavy !
     
  4. shanahan14

    shanahan14 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Not to mention, ancient fighters also get these super powers that they never had. I mean really with Ali knocking Tyson out cold? Come on now, Ali scored his fair share of ko/tko but let's be real.
     
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    Yeah no one knocks out Tyson cold .Tyson has a tough beard .
     
  6. Meast

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    Can't say I've ever come across anyone that predicted a KO it that match up :lol:
     
  7. joe33

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    Get ****ing real, can you imagine the players today who fall at the slightest touch and who have been spoilt beyond belief getting a hit from the hard men in bests time, holy **** he would think he was in heaven with the gay tackels of todays game
     
  8. itsa huge bitch

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    old school fighters rnt bums..but them saying todays crop are is a joke..it is true some guys rnt as tuff anymore but to say guys from today wouldnt compete or rule in any other era is foolish and is tinted glasses..but jumping around the ring is rather overboard lol...
     
  9. joe33

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    Why would he not ?, he would have modern training methods to use, he fought for most of his career with one ****ing eye for hells sake, he was obviously tough as ****, he imo would be a wrecking machine. That vid means ****, you do know he beat gene tunney (who we have on film, and is a fantastic mover and who ali says on video is one of his fav boxers), so bad he collapsed on the way out of the ring, and was in bed for 2 weeks after there fight, and was still pissing blood.

    We have no actual footage of his fights, but look at who he beat ?, who we do have footage off, guys like gene a hard as **** and superbly built athlete who beat jack dempsey twice and who moves like a modern fighter, says greb was a human whirlwind, and whos stamina was that good he could fight 20 rounds or what ever they did at full speed, and then a week later fight again, ****ing unreal stuff, but its all true
     
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    Not only in boxing, boxing maybe the only sport, but it common in life.
    The past is seen as better. The 50's were better than today.
     
  11. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You really don't know **** about boxing.
     
  12. anarci

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    Good point and although no Ali or Jones Jr(athletic or ability wise)... Techinichally ahead of his time along with being Fast,good legs and a tough beard.. Even Ali was impressed with his footage,and mentioned how far ahead he was.
     
  13. irishny

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    Was Best a "hard man" putting in "hits"??

    No he was a winger, a winger who would have a cardiac after 1 half of a modern premiership game.
     
  14. Vockerman

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    When you stop to look at James Toney of MODERN times who is a FAT overfed middleweight AND until recently a rated heavyweight contender, well - this tells you just how wonderful and skilled and athletic and full of crap the modern era is. Don't throw too many rocks at 2 ton Tony Galento - who BTW has 80 wins and 57KO's - more than Toney and all of his were against Heavyweights and therefore against better competition. The reason boxing is about to DIE is all the messed up MODERN stuff. That said, Pacman is a bright and shining star in a desolate era. I have long said that if a modern fighter could UNIFY and CLEAN OUT 8 divisions in the modern era he would Begin to approach what Hank Armstrong once did. Pacman as about 2/3's of the way to greatness in my book and before he is done may well stand beside some of the greats of the past. With multiple ABC belts smeared over as many as 17-19 divisions you have a very diluted championshp status. Money drives all decisions in this era - not the sport - not the fans. Most fighters today end careers with 30-40 fights. Hary Greb who you disdain while admitting you know NOTHING about him fought 37 times just in 1917 and won 34 of those fights. HE had an entire modern career in one year! Weigh-ins today are a sad joke - with welters entering the ring north of 160. They must weigh in AT the fight. be at or under 147 as a welter when you enter the ring or go up in weightclass. There must be strict testing of all fighters for "help" from the drug industry and bans for LIFE for cheating. GO back to 1 minute before the fight weigh ins with forfit penalty for missing the weight, 8 weight classes and one champ per class (a REAL world champ not an abc dude with nice hair) or see this sad farce that is modern boxing die to MMA. In the old days even casual fans knew the history of the sport and had respect and admiration for the greats of the past who built the foundation of the sport they loved. The average fan of today has a memory that stretches all the way back to mid 2008.

    You ask a good question - Why do people compare old time fighters to modern boxers - they shouldn't. On a level playing field these young ignorant puppies don't stand a chance...
     
  15. waldoesj

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    if there was no pre-modern then modern era wouldn't exist. So is normal to compare now and then. Its pretty obvious.