So basically Floyd and Pac's 154 belts are meaningless

If we can agree that both title mean little at 154 Pac title was one of the biggest disgraces in boxing recent history. Fighting at a catch weight for a vacant title against a disgraced fighter that was KOed recently and had one comeback fight in which he struggled. This not all Pac fault Arum wanted 'to make' history probably even more than him.

p.s. anybody remembers what was Foreman ring rating at 154 when Cotto beat him???

 

Yeah he invented the Pacweights. Legendary stuff[/quote]

What are "Pacweights"?:think And if you knew more about the history of the sweet science and weren't just sweet on Floyd...maybe you'd know PAC was NOT the first one to fight at a catch weight. Even my boy Floyd fought at a catch weight. The only thing that's legendary is 8 division, 8 time world champion and Fighter of the Decade, Manny Pacquiao.

 

Lets also not forgot that PAC was offered Foreman but didn't want him due to his height!

So at the end of the day whichever way *******s look at it they Run into a dead end!

 

Not sure if Foreman was even ranked by RING....but he was a legit champion by beating Santos....who beat Acline...who beat Alejandro Garcia who won the WBA strap at 154 by beating Travis Simms. Let's be real if we are going to be frank.....Cotto and PAC winning titles at 154 were legit...but it was a weak division.

 

Yuri is about the same height as Tony.....but I do recall reading that Yuri wasn't going to be an option because of his height....who knows but we do know NO ONE wanted to see that fight.

 

:think You make a great point....But you realize Ray Leonard did the exact same thing when he beat Lalonde years ago. Neither were ranked...it was for a title and it was at a catch weight.

 

On this subject, like many others, I am absolutely "in the middle". I have called Pac's title at 154 a sham since the day the Margarito fight was announced. It's a joke.

But if we have people going on record now saying Cotto doesn't belong at 154 and is too small, then clearly floyd's fight with him to win the belt @ 154 means nothing, also.

It's so funny that *****s have no concept or understanding of objectivity. If you are critical of floyd, you are obviously a *******. This underlines the simplistic thought process so many of Floyd's fans on here have.

 

And yet you don't hear any SRL fans bragging about nor touting that win as being historically significant.

But here you are, in full delusional Pac Fan glory, bragging about that '8th division title'.

Sad indeed. :verysad

 

Defending at a catchweight is far worse, esp against a 1 eyed bum

 

and I called Leonard out on that :yep

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=414654

 

Maweather has already beaten a better, more historically important fighter for a 154 belt (ODLH). Which makes this entire Cotto argument irrelevant as far as Mayweather ever holding a legit 154 title.

Other than some irrational reason to hate on Mayweather, it's a pretty lame argument to make in the first place.

But hey, to each his own.

 

To be honest....I'm not at all surprised Dunny. We don't agree on everything but I respect the fact that you always offer quality insight even if we are not in agreement. :good

 

I never looked at Mayweather seriously campaigning at 154. It was always like a one-off type thing. Him and Cotto(e) had history, and I felt it was a fight that was long overdue. The fact that Cotto(e) was at 154 with a title was icing on the cake.

Pacquiao's catch-weight vacant JMW title was really just a circus and spectacle act. The "David vs. Goliath" thing, with a trinket attached. Neither were ever going to truly campaign at the weight.

 

No, no.....you don't hear anyone talking about the win by itself....but when anyone hears an introduction for the Sugar man they reference him as FIVE division champion. Not FOUR.

I'm really not at all disillusioned or delusional. My perspective derives from a deep understanding of the sport, the history and a deeper appreciation for the sweet science.

Don't take it too hard. If you're heated, upset or sad...Don't be. We can disagree and if you have something to offer opposing my view...I welcome your insight. But come correct or you won't like our debate.

 

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