Rank Barrera, Morales and Marquez

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by anj, Dec 11, 2012.


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  1. anj

    anj Guest

    My pick is 1. Barrera 2. Marquez 3. Morales

    Barrera's greatest wins:
    Erik Morales - Got the upper hand on Morales. He won the first fight and the third fight. Morales won the second.
    Prince Naseem Hamed - legendary dismantling of a great fighter
    Johnny Tapia
    Paulie Ayala
    Kennedy McKinney
    - Came VERY close with Marquez in 2007, Barrera was past it in 2007.


    Marquez's greatest wins:
    Pacman 4 - What a KO. Marquez had lost a lot of speed, and had tailored more of his game towards pacing himself like a true counter puncher, trying to get the KO as planned. Marquez did not go into this fight to get a decision win. Nor did Pacquiao. Marquez was 39 years old and his speed was no way near fight 1.
    Arguably he won at least 2 of the 3 other fights against Pacquiao.
    Derrick Gainer
    Juan Diaz
    Orlando Salido
    Marco Antonio Barrera - only just, and Barrera was not in his prime, and Barrera arguably won that fight, Lederman thinks Barrera won by two rounds.
    - His resume has the least impressive names.

    Morales' greatest wins:
    He won the second fight but he finished second place to Barrera.
    Manny 1 - still, he finished second in this trilogy - Manny's weight draining and off-prime fighting tactics were in play for this trilogy however. Erik in the second fight looked DEAD during the weigh in.
    Junior Jones - Hello Barrera
    Ayala
    Jesus Chavez
    McCullough
    In-Jin Chi
    Espadas Jr - Before the Morales loss, he was a beast. Morales ruined his career and he was losing to bums as a result.

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    This is very hard as they're all virtually even. A hairs width separates these three fighters. I think I could probably even change my mind as a result.
     
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  2. dwighttsharpe

    dwighttsharpe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    JMM's ko of Pac Trumps all.

    Morales

    MAB.
     
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  3. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    JMM
    Morales
    MAB
     
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  4. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    :good
     
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  5. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    its few aspects, like h2h, peak, longevity or overall accomplishments

    I think Marquez is getting better as he is older and he still have something left in him
    so I guess he is already or he will be soon at the top, probably as the best Mexican
    boxer in history even surpassing Chavez Sr.

    Morales is the most fan friendly, and most exiting form all of them.

    I'm personally biased towards Barrera, and at their peak I think Barrera beats
    all of them h2h (he already did Morales), he had ups and downs and both
    of them are historically significant.
     
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  6. bobotnaman

    bobotnaman ★★★★☆ Full Member

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    H2H
    Barrera > Morales > Marquez

    Resume
    Marquez > Morales > Barrera (JMM #1 cause of the KO and longevity)
     
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  7. Ryoji

    Ryoji Member Full Member

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    JMM
    Morales
    MAB
     
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  8. Sheikh

    Sheikh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    barrera number 1, and i had him beating marquez
     
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  9. I1T2BOX

    I1T2BOX Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Morales
    MAB
     
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  10. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    For the record Marco's jealousy of his fellow FW's drops him to #3.
    This content is protected

    (Dude is a douche)
     
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  11. I1T2BOX

    I1T2BOX Boxing Addict Full Member

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    -No one will member me...
     
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  12. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    It's a discussion worth having, which is to say I don't buy into the idea that the weekend's result catapulted Juan Manuel Marquez onto a different level to his two Mexican counterparts. It depends on how you scored certain fights though. For example, Juan Manuel Marquez perhaps deserves at least two victories against Manny Pacquiao despite only having the one official win over him. Likewise, the majority of fight fans on this site seem to think Morales deserved the nod in his second fight with Barrera, whereas I personally scored all three of their encounters together in favour of The Baby Faced Assassin. Depending on how you view these fights, you could conceivably have them in any order and be able to back it up with solid reasoning.

    For what it's worth, I consider MAB to have been the most complete fighter of the three.
     
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  13. Manos de Hierro

    Manos de Hierro Member Full Member

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    Addie,

    :good

    MAB is the best.

    I don't care to 'rank' them in 'ATG terms' right now. :yep
     
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  14. Richel Hersisia

    Richel Hersisia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    this is extremely difficult.. i think they are very very close. in terms of all time p4p rankings, they probably all 3 rank between place 75 and 50.

    JMM
    MAB
    Morales
     
    Richel Hersisia, Dec 11, 2012
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  15. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    JMM
    Morales
    Barrera
     
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