What boxers are consistantly fighting Titlist/Champs

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  1. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Another Mayweather thread I know it's been overrun with these recently but simple question. We always hear about who Mayweather is or isn't fighting.

    Are there any boxers currently that fight champs and title holders as often as Mayweather. To put it in persepective since fighting Baldomir in 06 for the Undisputed WW Title the only non-titlist he's fought since is the upcoming rematch with Maidana and Marcos lost his title in the previous bout.
     
  2. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    While I support your argument that Mayweather has unparalleled difficulty of opposition, I must point out that Robert Guerrero was not a titlist. He won the "interim WBC WW" belt. That doesn't count...

    Other technicalities: While Hatton was a titlist, he was not a titlist at the weight Mayweather fought him. And technically, although with no defense of the argument or reasoning, when Floyd fought him Zab Judah was still IBF champ despite the loss to Baldomir one fight before.
     
  3. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't consider everyone with a belt a champion to me there's a distinct difference between say a Thurman Interim WBA WW Titlist and a Porter IBF WW Champ which is why I said both in the title. And exactly what you said Guerrero was a Titlist. Hatton was a Champ and Undisputed at that Undisputed champs from neighboring division's fighting is nothing new a better choice would be Marquez who i believe was Lineal champ at LW. The Judah thing is just politics everyone knew who the man was but that's spot on.

    I guess a better way to phrase the question would be what fighters have defeated or faced the most reigning champs/titlist in recent times.
     
  4. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon.

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    I know Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins, and the Klitschko bros all have more title defenses. That's probably a better way to measure things since Floyd drops titles just to pick them up again at his leisure. There's no reason Victor Ortiz should have become a champion for the five minutes he held the title otherwise.
     
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    LondonRingRules Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not always about fighting 'titlists' because they are not always the best opposition available, we all know there are some very weak titlists around nowadays. Not saying mayweather doesn't fight strong opponents (because despite what *******s will tell you, he is fighting very very good opposition) but if you want someone that takes on everyone and anyone no matter what then Carl Froch is who you should be mentioning.
     
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    Carl Froch has a very impressive record.not Groves,that was more of just a spectacle
    Cotto also has a great list of names
     
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    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I know those four have more title defense's longer careers yet Mayweather has defeated more Title Holders, I don't know if title defense's alone are the best way to view it. Look at guys like GGG or Garcia who have title's and can't/don't consistently fight top contenders in their defense's. I get the Ortiz thing but you can't control that at the time it was 1/2 Mayweather/Pacquiao #3 was Ortiz he turned out to be a flop hindsight is 20/20.
     
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    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cotto has a hell of a resume but I wouldn't put him anywhere near this convo Cotto has only beaten 2/3* title holders in his entire career Clottey, Foreman, & Martinez.
     
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    it can be incredibly misleading to think that someone who constantly fights titlists is somehow fighting the best available

    look at felix sturm. spent his entire career making sure he never got in the ring with the names in the division, but didn't he just love making fights with fringe titlists
     
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    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree but not all situations are the same take Garcia-Salka/Herrera for example. More often than not 3/4 title holders are top 3/4 of the division. Take WW for example Mayweather, Pacquiao, & Porter hold the four title's and are clearly in the top 3/4 at WW. When you have the title a lot of guys milk there defense's look at any WBO mandatory. Consistantly fighting the actual Champs your opening yourself up to face upper level comp
     
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    it says fighting not beating. Cotto has constantly fought the top level of opposition
     
  12. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cotto has a great resume but the only title holders he's fought or beat were the three I mentioned. Mosley wasn't a champ and was coming off some bad showings a few years earlier, Margarito & Pacquiao fought for Cotto's title. I give Cotto a little slack though intil 08 every WW title was held by Mayweather so he couldn't fight that many titlist there. Even in that situation though the guys with the title's Mayweather (WBC, WBA, IBF) and the WBO champ which changed hands 3 times in 4 fights were considered the best in the division.

    For the talk of how titles don't mean anything who fought tougher comp the guy who beats Rubio, Macklin, and Stevens back to back or the guy who beats Quillin, GGG , & Cotto back to back
     
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    Zab judah unfortunately
     
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    Im assuming guys who had a title at some point before or after fighting our examples

    Wlad Klitschko fought so many beltholders during his time

    John Ruiz fought a bunch,,,,Holyfield, Rahman, Valuev, Chagaev, Haye

    Hasim Rahman fought Sanders, Lewis, Klitschko, Povetkin, Maskaev, Ruiz
     
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    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    @K.O.KIDD both of those fighters have a great list of wins there but I don't mean former or future champs I mean bonifide champs. I know guys like Vatli/Wald won't be up there because they have held every belt in there division for decades.

    But what fighters are fighting the most reigning/current title holding Champs.

    Some cases like thoses where there's a long string of dominance they might already have most title's. Take Hopkins he was the Undisputed MW Champ and won the WBC/WBA/WBO/IBF Title's that's 3 current Champs beaten in that span alone.(Holmes WBC/Trinidad WBA/Hoya WBO, further along you have Pascal WBC LHW,Cloud IBF LHW...)

    Within 2/3 years Mayweather unified two division beating 5 regining Champs/Titlist (Ortiz WBC WW, Maidana WBA WW, Guerrero WBC Titlist, Cotto WBA JMW, Alvarez WBC/WBA unified JMW)ect...