Your entitled to your opinion, but I am talking about Prime Pavlik. Pavlik was past his prime and by a fair bit vs Martinez. After the first fight with Taylor Pavlik started drinking a lot and not traing this is pretty well documented.
Forget ALL TIME, let's just list some late 80's and 90s middles who would beat Pavlik: Jones, Toney, McCallum, Nunn, G-man, Reggie Johnson, Eubank, Collins, Kalambay, Watson, and Benn.
The problem with your ****ysis is that you're discounting how physically strong Pavlik was. He wasn't just a stringbean with power. Consider how many fighters were forced to retreat against him. And this is in the day-before weigh in era so he probably wouldn't even compete at middle if it were 1970. Good chin, fundamentals and toughness too. S hit handspeed though, no arguing that.
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Out of interest-do you consider Fullmer a genuine Middleweight? Someone on the British forum reckons he would be a Welterweight in today's game.
Sure he was a genuine middle...he was a big, strong middleweight at that. Someone in the British forum has him confused with some body else.
Unless he is on about the different weigh- ins used then? Still couldn't be ****d to argue because I thought it was *******s!
He may have been confusing Fullmer with Carmine Basilio...a contemporary of Fullmer's who also won and lost the middleweight title to SRR.
In the alternate universe you reside in, I'm guessing a man named Sergio Martinez never existed.... This is the most comical post I've ever seen on the classic forum.
I think any middleweight with good movement beats him and makes him look like he's standing in quicksand.
Pavlik a great chance against Monzon? LMFAAAAOOOOOOOOO!!! Holy E God, the **** you read on ESB on a daily basis.
Pavlik was a tall guy and a murderous puncher with heart, but he really didn't have much else. He was a slow twitch guy, and didn't have much of an amateur career, he made the most out of his talent.
Agreed. Jermaine Taylor almost stopped him, and Sergio Martinez convincingly beat him. I simply don't get it.