Bernard hopkins best wins at Middleweight were over Welterweights?

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  1. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The great of all time was a 147 fighter , so im not sure what the point is.

    Fighters from the lower weights who move up tend to be better in all departments other than size , so being fighters who move up is not a negative.
     
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  2. sugarkills

    sugarkills Active Member Full Member

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    The point is not every 147 fighter is the greatest of all time..
     
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  3. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    True
    135er
     
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  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Robinson
    Hagler
    Monzon
    Jones Jr
    Gibbons
    Hopkins
    Burley
    Tiger
    Walker
    Toney.

    That's my top 10 MW list. Let's look at the best victory of each fighter

    Robinson: LaMotta
    Hagler: Hearns
    Monzon: Griffiths
    Jones Jr: Hopkins
    Gibbons: Lewis
    Hopkins: Tito
    Burley: Williams
    Tiger: Fulmer
    Walker: Flowers
    Toney: Nunn

    Almost all MW greats have a WW as their standout victory. I don't personally think contextually it's a good idea but it almost always gets looked back on fondly.

    Right now I see Brook in a win-win and don't see how he can lose face here. I also struggle to see how Golovkin can gain legacy wise. But history shows that even with a weight discrepancy, f a fighter seen as great, a victory over them is seen as great.
     
    lufcrazy, Aug 6, 2016
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  5. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You have Hagler's victory over Duran as better than his victory over Hearns, amongst others?
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think the majority of people would say his win over Tommy was his best win. But of course, Tommy also started out at the lower weights.
     
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  7. lufcrazy

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    No, I don't rse that victory at all really. I said Hearns in my head but obvs wrote Duran :-(
     
    lufcrazy, Aug 6, 2016
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  8. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Monzons best win was against Nino. That's what made him from unknown to superstar.
     
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  9. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I get that, but Hagler beat several very good middleweights and for some reason, doesn't get credit for it.
     
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  10. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Gotcha
     
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  11. lufcrazy

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    Benvenuti was a great win. As was Griffiths and Napoles.
     
    lufcrazy, Aug 6, 2016
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  12. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    :good
     
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  13. Nay_Sayer

    Nay_Sayer On Rick James Status banned Full Member

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    Brook isn't even a footnote in Welterweight history - let alone a great fighter at the weight.

    Bumlokvin fighting Brook is AT BEST a circus act...
     
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  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Not at best. At best Brook goes on to become a great fighter.

    As it is right now, let's say G stops Brook and then Brook retires, I agree with every word.
     
    lufcrazy, Aug 8, 2016
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  15. Nay_Sayer

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    Well, in fact, Brook isn't a great fighter. He isn't even the #1 guy in his own weight class.

    Bumlovkin Brook is nothing more than a dog and pony show. This is NOT a real fight..
     
    Nay_Sayer, Aug 8, 2016
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