Better Resume: GGG or Wilder

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by walk with me, Oct 1, 2016.

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ggg or wilder

  1. Ggg

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  2. Wilder

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    8.3%
  1. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    No he is totally right, only a dummy would rank Lemieux an A fighter.
     
  2. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Fair post.
     
  3. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Canelo fought a bunch of B-level fighters too.........in fact the only time he stepped up he was outclassed.
     
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  4. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Well then, I guess Canelo and GGG have more in common then you think.
     
  5. RacingBeat

    RacingBeat Casual lives matter Full Member

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    Yea good point, I guess that's why "TBE" grates on people too
     
  6. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    W1lder
     
  7. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ... which would make Duhaupas, Molina, Szpilka etc. C or D level.

    It really doesn't matter what is a B or a C class level as long as we are consistent. My reasoning is something like this:

    A+, prime p4p level opponent (think Kovalev, Ward, GGG, Loma, Gonzalez etc.)
    A, good world champion fighter
    A-, very strong contender / weaker world champion
    B+, strong contender, top 5/10
    B, decent contender, top 10/20
    C, top 50/100 fighter
    D, journeyman

    Obviously some exceptions eg. Charles Martin.
     
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  8. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had him A- / B+. You might consider that generous but I don't think I was any less generous to Wilder's opponents. Lemiuex was not a strong world champion but he's still clearly better than Duhaupas, Molina, Szpilka. He's also #4 boxrec for what it's worth.
     
  9. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The terms A level fighter, B level fighter, etc. aren't supposed to be divided into + and -. An A level fighter is someone that is proven and believed to be on the championship level. B level fighter is someone who really isn't championship material. C level are guys who nobody ever heard of. D level of course are journeyman. It is rare that a champion fights C level opponents but Wilder and GGG have been.
     
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    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Your post is contradictory. How can something be an opinion and be wrong? An opinion is a point of view that is neither right nor wrong.
     
  11. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's fair enough, but not everyone fits neatly into the boxes. I've seen the + and - used here before.

    And you said Lemiuex/Murray/Rubio/Geale are B/C level. B level maybe, but they are still guys people have heard of, and to be honest they are all quite good for B level fighters.
     
  12. tommyg6

    tommyg6 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My definition,

    A = elite, Champs who can beat champs, consistently defend their title and have few flaws. Ex, Pacquiao, mayweather
    B = good, fighters who can win a belt but are not elite enough to maintain it in the long run, and Lose to another champs, they have skills but exposable flaws. Ex, froch, cleverly
    C = gatekeeper, fighters who have some skill and give the occasional great fight to a top opponent. Ex, Darnell Boone, Curtis stevens
    D = not good, a virtual punching bag, a showcase opponent for a top fighter. A bad fighter who will make a top fighter look good. Ex. Dominic brazeale, wade
     
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  13. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    How in the hell did a thread like this pop up...talking about a comparison between a heavyweight and a Middleweight lol...?
     
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  14. MUFA$A

    MUFA$A FEAR * THE * TANK Full Member

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    I dont even pay attention to the HWs.

    135 to 175.

    These are the only 6 weight divisions i tune in to watch.
     
  15. MUFA$A

    MUFA$A FEAR * THE * TANK Full Member

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    The funny thing is A few gatekeepers have pull off upsets and beaten Elite/Good fighters in the past.

    Thats the beauty of boxing. Anything can happen. Thats the part i truly love about this sport .
     
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