Is Ward now an All Time Great? (As in top 100 of all time)

Some interesting posts so far.

Someone be a gentleman and trade votes with this guy, for the sake of legitimacy.

 

I think the Kovalev win is as good as any on Floyd's resume, but he doesn't have the depth Floyd has. I mean Floyd has:

Pacquiao
Castillo
Corrales
Canelo
Maidana
De La Hoya
Cotto
Hatton
Mosley
Judah
Corley
Guerrero
Marquez

Sure some of those wins have some detracting factors on them, mainly past-prime ATGs, but so do Ward's. I don't think their resumes are comparable. Floyd is an indisputable ATG, top 30 or 20 probably, while we're still debating whether Ward has even cracked the top 100.

 

I don't view it as taking the top 10 of each weight class because some weight classes are richer than others. But interesting way to approach it, good post.

Great post. Ward's biggest obstacle is a whole history of amazing fighters in front of him. It's not that he isn't great, it's that we have a century of greats to choose from.

It's also important to remember that in a given era sometimes the 2nd and 3rd best guys were still better than a lot of number 1 guys that came later in the same division.

Maybe the best way to approach this would be to look at a bunch of respected top 100 ATG lists, look at the most common names in the bottom 10 or 20, and see if Ward can sneak in there comfortably.

 

Here's some respected/popular/available lists, where you can view the bottom 10 or 20 fighters.

Bleacher Report:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/557861-the-100-greatest-pound-for-pound-boxers-of-all-time

Ranker:
http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-best-boxers-of-all-time

Bert Sugar:
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_100_Greatest_Boxers_of_All_Time

McGrain:
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/the-top-100-pound-for-pound-all-time-greats.459918/

Some guy on the boxrec forum:
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=211403

The most common names I see on the bottom of the lists are George Foreman, Shane Mosley, James Toney, Azumah Nelson, Nicolino Locche, Khaosai Galaxy, and Marco Antonio Barrera.

I think Ward has some work to do then still.

 

I think Hopkins from around the Trinidad fight could beat a prime Ward if he moved up, timing Ward's ambushes and being a little sharper in exchanges with hard shots. He'd also be pretty strong for Ward. But I think a few years later and you run into Ward being able to do what Jermain Taylor did but better. More athletic, almost if not just as smart and versatile as B-Hop, able to use his legs to go in-and out, and using his hand speed and athleticism to steal rounds.

 

I mean Corley, Guerrero and Maidana are as good as Miranda and Bika right? And thanks. I think anywhere from top 20 to top 40 is fair to Floyd because boxing history is just so deep with very storied careers.

 

So to those who voted no, or not yet-list some realistic fights that Ward would have to win to crack that top 100. What if he goes and does:

Stevenson
Beterbiev
Alvarez
Bivol

And ends with winning a cruiserweight title? Perhaps from Usyk?

Or do you have him crossing the line with only a few names on that list without completing it?

Or is even that still not enough?

Discuss.