The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    01 - Sam Langford
    02 - Harry Greb
    03 - Sugar Ray Robinson
    04 - Henry Armstrong
    05 - Ezzard Charles
    06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
    07 - Muhammad Ali
    08 - Joe Gans
    09 - Joe Louis
    10 - Roberto Duran.
    11 - Benny Leonard
    12 - Mickey Walker
    13 - Willie Pep
    14 - Barney Ross
    15 - Archie Moore
    16 - Ray Leonard
    17 - George Dixon
    18 - Terry McGovern
    19 - Packey McFarland
    20 - Pernell Whitaker
    21 - Tony Canzoneri
    22 - Jimmy McLarnin
    23 - Sandy Saddler
    24 - Stanley Ketchel
    25 - Charley Burley
    26 - Holman Williams
    27 - Billy Conn
    28 - Gene Tunney
    29 - Roy Jones
    30 - Joe Walcott
    31 - Carlos Monzon
    32 - Jimmy Wilde
    33 - Eder Jofre
    34 - Marvin Hagler
    35 - Julio Cesar Chavez
    36 - Tommy Gibbons
    37 - Kid Gavilan
    38 - Jack Britton
    39 - Emile Griffith
    40 - Jose Napoles
    41 - Alexis Arguello
    42 - Michael Spinks
    43 - Tommy Loughran
    44 - Thomas Hearns
    45 - Jimmy Bivins
    46 - Ike Williams
    47 - Floyd Mayweather
    48 - Manny Pacquiao
    49 - Tommy Ryan
    50 - Jack Dillon
    51 - Bernard Hopkins
    52 - Carlos Ortiz
    53 - Fighting Harada
    54 - Ruben Olivares
    55 – Evander Holyfield
    56 - Young Corbett III
    57 - Mike Gibbons
    58 – Ted Kid Lewis
    59 - Freddie Welsh
    60 - Freddie Steele
    61 - Lou Ambers
    62 - Salvador Sanchez
    63 - Wilfredo Gomez
    64 - Vicente Saldivar
    65 - Rocky Marciano
    66 - Abe Attell
    67 - Manuel Ortiz
    68 - Harold Johnson
    69 - **** Tiger
    70 - Luis Manuel Rodriguez
    71 - Carmen Basilio
    72 - Carlos Zarate
    73 - Miguel Canto
    74 - Oscar De La Hoya
    75 - Azumah Nelson
    76 - Mike McCallum
    77 - Lary Holmes
    78 - Bob Foster
    79 - Teddy Yarosz
    80 - Jim Driscoll
    81 - Panama Al Brown
    82 - Pascual Perez
    83 - Lloyd Marshall
    84 – Jake LaMotta
    85 - Juan Manuel Marquez
    86 – Wilfred Benitez
    87 – Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
    88 – Erik Morales
    89 – Marco Antonio Barrera
    90 - Young Griffo
    91 - Fritzie Zivic
    92 - Joe Frazier
    93 - Pete Herman
    94 - Lennox Lewis
    95 - Jack "Kid" Berg
    96 - Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
    97 - James Toney
    98 - Nicolino Locche
    99 - Jung Koo Chang
    100-George Foreman


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    **For anyone reading this thread for the first time, it won't make any sense. The opening post, which originally carried a suggestion of fifty names in loose tiers has been worked up to a firmer 100, and then more.**
     
  2. LittleRed

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    Move Mickey Walker. Replace with George Dixon.

    Whitaker isn't two whole tiers above Chavez. Replace him with Ortiz.

    Where's Fighting Harada. I suggest adding him without dropping anyone (but if you had to he's clearly above Zarate).

    Carlos Ortiz instead of McAuliffe.

    Michael Spinks instead of Tommy Hearns.
     
  3. the cobra

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    Drop Rocky to the bottom tier or lose him altogether. Just up against the other unbeaten guy, I don't like him over Mayweather at all. I feel Pac, Chavez, and Hearns all belong on the same level as Arguello and above M. Ortiz.

    Agree with LR on Harada and Spinks. Lose Zarate for one of them.

    Also, I'd drop Jofre down to the Chavez/Arguello/whatever tier.
     
  4. Johnstown

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    Ali nowhere? i understand he had some flaws..but so did Jones? what the hell?
     
  5. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We should be shot for missing that.
     
  6. Johnstown

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    I actually am not real big on people who rank Ali as number 1 or even 2 behind Robinson pound for pound...seeing as he did have some flaws in the proper boxing skill department..but so did guys like hearns and jones and many others...Ali has to be in at least the top 10 p4p (and really higher).
     
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    I thought it was some new boxing hipster thing that everyone knew about but me...that you don't give Ali a ranking on p4p lists.
     
  8. Manassa

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    The things that stand out for me:

    Fitzsimmons out, B. Leonard in (and then that tier would seem accurate to me).

    Walcott down, Dixon up.

    Ketchel out for Napoles - can't be rating Gavilan a clear level above Napoles. I see a lot of people do it, which is quite strange. I won't debate Ketchel's potential, but Napoles did rule a division slightly too big for him - along with a very good pre-title career.

    Obviously Ali, I. Williams, C. Ortiz and Rodriguez need to be in there. The latter two, in my opinion, should be around the same level as Napoles and Gavilan in that #28-32 range and clearly above, say, Hagler.

    Griffith is one of the most difficult to rate.

    Also, I don't particularly agree with Jofre in tier three. Perhaps Burley and H. Williams could stay, but on the lower end.
     
  9. anj

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    Where's Muhammad Ali, put him in. Take Zarate out. I'd take Manuel Ortiz out.
    Jimmy Wilde is waaay too low.
    Joe Walcott is waaay too high - not a top 50 for me.
    Pernell Whitaker, Pacquiao are waaay too low.
    S.R.Leonard is too low.
    Where's Carlos Ortiz and Fighting Harada?
    Emile Griffith out, Michael Spinks in.
    Definitely not feeling Jimmy Bivins, or Jack McAuliffe.
    Oscar De La Hoya is in the bottom region of the top 50 imo.
    Jack Britton in the bottom part of top 50 at best.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    OK so first thing's first, Ali is going in (he's top tier - i must have deleted his name at some point and not re-typed it). But who to take out?
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I took out Zarate. But I'm sad.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Really considering this, too. Why do you think Dixon is clearly above Walcott?
     
  13. LittleRed

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    Also, you don't have Loughran. Certainly he rates above Sanchez?

    Outside shout to Rosenbloom. Although no clue where to put him. Or Ted Lewis. Or Carlos Ortiz. Or Freddie Miller. Or Tommy Ryan.
     
  14. Manassa

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    Only as clearly as B. Leonard over Pep or something. You know yourself about that bantamweight-featherweight gap and how hard it is to jump. It was all a lot less organised back then of course, and I do believe the general boxing knowledge back then was less widespread (though conditions were tougher to almost make up for it), but nevertheless, a younger George Dixon was reportedly the great boxer of the day who was, quite importantly, a real ring innovator who shared his secrets with Walcott himself. I never like to take into account fame or political influence and things like that, but the invention or at least original implementation of boxing methods and techniques goes a long way in my book.
    Both boxers fought significantly heavier opponents and both suffer incomplete records. They were also affected by racism. Dixon in particular - I have heard - deserved more decisions than given credit for.
     
  15. McGrain

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    I'm gonna take out McAuliffe I think, but I'm not sure who i'll add in his place. Front runners seem to be

    Fighting Harada
    Tommy Loughran
    Micheal Spinks
    Carlos Ortiz

    It's a nice pocket argument, but is it really a clear case for having Walcott lower?
     

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