What's harder to deal with when fighting bigger men? Their power or their chin?

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The brain is going to get rattled more if the head doesnt move, not less.

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again, a pound of extra muscle around the neck, even if the blow is landing at an angle utilising it, is going to make very little difference to stopping a flush blow of over 200lbs of force.

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The brain is in fluid, so

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rather than to the rest of the body if the head moved.

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sure. but the momentum passed to the brain in its fluid environment is major.

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So, you have made the points that:

1) If the head doesn't move, the brain is forced to move.
2) Stronger neck muscles cause the head to displace less
3) Bracing the neck muscles causes the force of the blow to be transmitted to the brain

One can only conclude from this that you believe strong, braced neck muscles increase brain injury.

Yes?

Yet now ... gosh ... I sense a little uncertainty in your position. You are now saying that you never said that you shouldn't strengthen your neck muscles. Why this sudden about turn? Do you no longer believe that strong, braced neck muscles increase brain injury?

Enquiring minds would like to know.

 

You could argue that the loss of speed and reaction happens to both the puncher and the punched, also the punch has to travel longer.

If you exclude hw, to only get the division where weight and length correspond, the ko% is still rising from sw to cw.

 

These big

Good job - I can't be bothered these days, just easier to add another bore to the ignore list.

 

you give up trying to pretend that the argument is all one way. Its clearly not, as shown from what I wrote.

Until you do, you wont get another reply.

 

a flush knockout punch will have the same result on either chin.

It is extraneous factors that help prevent the knockout flush landing - having a bigger jawbone is insignificant compared to more relevant factors.

Two chins, one with a few ounces more bone than the other, that one isnt going to save u from getting koed anymore than the other. 3 ounces of bone isnt going to stop a 200lb punch.

Two chins, one with a 1/2 lb more muscle in its vicinty, that one isnt going to get flush koed any less than the other. 1/2lb muscle isnt going to stop 200lb punch.

Height reach skill are examples of the factors that make the difference between 2 chins getting koed or not. It is certainly NOT 2 ounces of jawbone.

This has already been established. I dont get why you are arguing that a 3 ounce heavier jawbone is going to prevent a ko more than 3 ounce lighter one from a flush 200lb punch. If you arent arguing this, then thats fine.

 

only if you are thick enough to think it means ONE THING.

Let me know if you are.

there is no turnaround, only one you want to fictionalise.

Quote where the turnaround is (a "dont build neck muscle quote" from me followed by a "do build it" if you want to pursue that, else its accepted you are faking it.

 

The result of a flush KO punch is by definition a flush KO, of course the result would be the same.

The relevant factor is what punch, how much power it need, to be a KO punch.

The head is connected to the body via the neck, therefore it's not only about the weight of the head or chin, but also the body. When the mass increases the effect of the punch is lowered.

Edit, what is a 200 lb punch?

 

The argument IS all one way, and it IS how I say it is.

In other words, a heavier head with thicker bone, supported by thicker, well developed neck muscles, tensed against a punch, will absorb a blow better than the alternative, which is a light head on a long neck with weak neck muscles unprepared for a blow.

You're an embarrassment, Herol.

Boxers for hundreds of years have known this, yet here you come and proclaim the opposite.

 

Let me know if you're a stupid regurgitated turd of a man oozing gelatinously down the back of a public toilet.

Take a stand you rancid pimple of a creature, and decide whether one should or should not build muscle to resist blows. Until then, don't bother me with the dribbling smegma that you pass off as logic.

 

A 200 lb punch has the ability to knock out anyone. I won't argue that. But I find it hard to believe that it doesn't take a more than noticeable increase in effort to achieve the same results with a lean 250 lb frame than it does with a lean 150 lb frame. You seem like you've been in this argument before though. If it's been established before then I'd like to peak at some of the supporting evidence myself. Anything I can google specifically?

 

their size allows them to absorb more shots

 

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Its about chin. This featherweight at my gym was beating the mess out of dudes, but one day he didny have anyone to spar so the coach has me fight him. I was easily able to walk through his punches and land body shots to slow him down. Ive seen it happen on other occasions too.

 

the point is not that, but that an average sized man who knows how to punch can deliver a 200lb punch.

 

at some point you are going to acknowledge that its JUST YOU pretending that I am saying "the smaller you are the better your chin" or some other nonsense.

I'll await the end of that, but wont hold my breath.