Flukes ...

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    An underrated fighter nowadays, in my opinion. He wasn't afraid to travel, and guys like Weir and Guiden were very dangerous punchers.

    Moore ran into a near consensus top 25 all time great fighter in one of his best latter career performances. That doesn't mean he wasn't a fine fighter in his own right.
     
  2. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I was going to put kalamby _ Nunn everyone expected a chess match between to master boxers. nobody did that to sumbu before or after made Nunn look like a destroyer which is why the Barkley performance was such a disappointment in his next fight .I would wager that if that fight was repeated ten times that probably wouldn't happen again with Sumbu winning a few .Very underrated fighter .
     
  3. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes jowcol,...hollyweird can distort with their lies and distortions all they want...and maybe they can sway the thinking of the most gullible and ignorant of casuals and know-nothing sheep, but for my money, I'll stick with this....that if rematched with a more mature middleweight Griffith...i.e., the one who decked and defeated Carter's boss man Tiger,...Emile would have outsmarted and neatly outboxed Carter by an even greater margin....as I'm convinced that EG was a better fighter as a middleweight than he was even as welterweight champion...certainly he improved greatly vs Tiger over the fighter that he was when he met Carter in 1963....and as for the Giardello fight...I knew from a Boxing Illustrated magazine waaay back in the 60's, that the old fox Giardello, according to writer Lew Eskin, "trotted out everything he had available from his substantial bag of tricks to out think and out box Carter". Yeah, screw hollyweird,...and that includes the hatchet job that Opie did on Max Baer too.
    Quarry-Chuvalo should have seen a rematch IMO,...and Jerry would have easily reversed that fluke loss.
    Just keep plugging away my ol' buddy, you'll find a job that will fit like a glove...I'm in security now....and I only work 32 hours a week at a low stress, very unstructured job that's just perfect for an "outside the box" loner type that I am...plenty of time to myself.
     
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    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    deleted repeat post
     
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  5. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Are Rahman and McCall to Obvious to mention? I'll add Braddock vs Baer, and maybe Douglas vs Tyson, though with caveats, reservations, and uncertainties. Oh, and maybe Fenech vs Nelson one?
     
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  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    He was also a very limited fighter. Poor defensive skills and wide punches. If Benitez doesn't break his leg, I think he probably figures him out and catches up with him on the cards. Or maybe he ends up losing by decision. Either way, if they fought 10 more times, I just don't see Moore getting rid of him early again.
     
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  7. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Oliver McCall/Lennox Lewis.
     
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  8. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He may have been a bit limited, but he was also very fast, hit damned hard and could put his punches together very well. You don't beat the historically underrated Ayub K. if you don't have something to offer. He was at least as good as Bruce Curry (probably more talented and technically proficient in truth) and Curry had him at sea in the first fight.

    Even without the broken leg, this wasn't an easy out for El Radar, even in his prime. And Benitez was past his prime at that point.
     
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    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Liston VS Machen. Liston would've kod him earlier.

    Shahers vs Young 1st fight.

    Young vs Foreman.
     
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    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Shavers VS Quarry
     
  11. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Got beat to both of my picks:

    Carter-Griffith
    Quarry-Chuvalo

    Id pick the loser in both of those fights to win 9 out of 10 times it just so happened that 10th fight was the first one they fought.

    Lol at Shavers-Quarry. Shavers a totally overrated weak chinned, modestly skilled, bad stamina slugger going up against an experienced hard punching counter puncher with a great set of whiskers. Quarry always kicks Shavers overrated ass. He also schooled Lyle who knocked Shavers out.
     
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  12. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I agree, Moore may have always beat this faded version of Benitez but that ankle break was a fluke that ended things early.
     
  13. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    When ? Benitez was known as the best defensive fighter in the sport from 1976 to 1982 over three weight classes .. the only man to stop him was Ray Leonard. At 154, Hearns best weight, he could land on Wilfredo .. to say he wa always vulnerable is incorrect.
     
  14. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    Phatboy Willie Meehans 2 wins against Jack Dempsey
     
  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Foreman beating Moorer.

    Nobody thought Moorer was going to be a champion very long but Foreman was 43 and coming off a loss. That was unheard of.