The Greats...

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/24129
    By my count (might be some errors)

    1929 27 fights
    1930 44 fights
    1931 44 fights
    1932 50 fights
    1933 49 fights
    1934 58 fights
    1935 53 fights
    1936 48 fights
    1937 40 fights
    1938 31 fights
     
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  4. George Crowcroft

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    Omfg that is mental he had like 450 fights!
     
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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I know. 470 adding them up, and it might not even be all of them.
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    Frightening comparison to todays boxers!!! My god
     
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  9. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    I think Ambers and LaMotta need to be higher. I think Kingpetch and Walcott are too high, questionable if they should even be on the list. Personally I think they're ok at 100-80

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  10. George Crowcroft

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    Cheers, I was debating about all 4 of those cases tbh, in different ways.

    If I'm moving Kingpetch I have to move Parez as well imo. And I was debating if JJW was greater than guys like Jones, Toney and assorted others not there yet.

    I can definitely see Ambers going up.

    Thanks for the feedback
     
  11. BitPlayerVesti

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    Tommy Loughran seems oddly high. I probably wouldn't put Nelson above Joe Walcott.

    Could you explain why you put them that way?
     
  12. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Yo. From a quick glance, you seem to rate Loughran very highly, which strikes me. Why so high? I'm curious.

    I will say that there were definitely greater Flyweights than Pone, even though he was awesome. He has some question marks (such as Ebihara 1). I would include Midget Wolgast instead, as he beat extremely strong competition (such as Newsboy Brown) and at several weight divisions,and rates extremely high H2H. Top 3 fly IMO. I would have him possibly higher than the position you put Kingpetch in.

    I also question Benvenuti, but I will admit I know very little of him.

    Where is Freddie Steele? If you have someone like Ad Wolgast and Benvenuti, you have to include him IMO. Very dominant, and alot stronger H2H than these 2.

    I'm also curious that you have Harada and Saldivar lower down, yet I couldn't see Jofre. He would be a definite inclusion IMO. Similar spot to Harada. I mean, he smashed Saldivar as an old man at Feather (though Vicente was also slightly past his best).

    I think LaMotta is too high, and I'm a big fan.

    I still don't understand the Rosenbloom love, and him being so high.

    Pascual Perez is a very good inclusion. I could actually see him being higher.

    I also think there's too many heavyweights lol. I don't rank them that high personally. Just me though. Fitzsimmons though would be in my top 10.
     
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    Also where is Lou Ambers? He would be top 50 atleast IMO.

    And Hopkins above Harada is blasphemy IMO.
     
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    @Tin_Ribs do you comment on this sort of stuff?
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

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    Sure. I like Loughtan's résumé, it's got serious depth and he beat plenty of guys who are on the list, ATGs and some genuine top 25 HWs of all time.

    I prefer Nelson's résumé, but he wasn't consistent. Walcott has a case over him, but I like Nelson's résumé.
     
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