Better top 5 wins? Mayweather or Ward?

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  1. T_S_A_R

    T_S_A_R Member Full Member

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    JMM is better than any win Ward has never mind Pac.
     
    T_S_A_R, Sep 17, 2019
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  2. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pacquiao alone is better than anyone Ward fought.
     
    VG_Addict, Sep 17, 2019
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  3. NoNeck

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    You aren’t taking into account size. Mayweather likely gave up 10+ pounds to Hatton and I do not agree that it was an easy style match-up. Oscar was like 33 or 34 and also had a large size advantage. Shane was older, but was also the champ at 147 and top 3 pfp.
     
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  4. kirk

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    Nah, I disagree. And I dont even think it matters much what top 5 you use for Mayweather.

    Imo, any arrangement of canelo, pac, castillo, corrales, hoya, cotto, hatton, is better as a collection, than Wards top 5.


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    I think if you did a top 3, it becomes a lot closer. But while Barrera is a solid solid fighter, hes a weak link on the list, imo... and Abraham sinks the whole thing, when being matched against a list like Floyds.

    Top 3 of Kova 2, Froch and Kessler would be a much better comparison.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Whatever the top 5 is, it's still better than ward's
     
    George Crowcroft, Sep 17, 2019
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Cross off JLC I and Kovalev I because those Ws should be Ls
     
    Serge, Sep 17, 2019
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  7. T_S_A_R

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    Why is everyone ignoring JMM?

    He's a better win than Froch.
     
    T_S_A_R, Sep 17, 2019
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  8. LANCE99

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    In a P4P sense, yeah. But relative to the division they fought, Froch > JMM. Not to mention, floyd ignoring the agreed upon weight doesn't help him either.
     
    LANCE99, Sep 17, 2019
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  9. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No.
    Pac (by far) is a better win than anything on Ward's resume even at this stage.
    Corrales is a better win than anything Ward has.
    Genaro is a better win than anything Ward has.
    Hatton (who had held all 3 belts at JWW, and a belt at WW prior to fighting Floyd and never lost any in the ring) is a better win than anything Ward has.
    Angel Manfredy (who you didn't even name) is a better win than anything Ward has except Kovalev and Froch.

    I'm a Ward fan, but it appears as if this thread was created to denigrate Floyd.
     
    northpaw, Sep 17, 2019
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  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Shocked that people would even think there is some kind of debate about this.
    Imo Floyd has several greater wins than wards best wins.
    Froch and Kessler were past prime imo but I haven't seen that mentioned in the thread start.

    Floyd and imo not even debatable.
    Very clear

    Funny thing that I also haven't seen mentioned is that when Floyd fought Oscar it was in a higher weight class with Oscar coming off a great performance.
    When Froch fought ward he was coming off a mdec over a faded boiled down g Johnson
     
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  11. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    This will be an interesting thread if people apply context and take certain factors into account.
     
    Loudon, Sep 17, 2019
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  12. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    and hernandez than castillo.
     
    chacal, Sep 17, 2019
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  13. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    I wonder why I can read you if you are in my ignored list.
     
    chacal, Sep 17, 2019
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  14. ideafix12

    ideafix12 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In my opinion
    Ward
    1- Kovalev 1&2
    2-Kessler
    3-Froch
    4-Dawson
    5-Abraham

    Floyd
    1-Corrales
    2-Maidana 1
    3-Pacquiao
    4-Hatton
    5-Castillo 2
     
    ideafix12, Sep 17, 2019
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  15. ideafix12

    ideafix12 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No way Cotto,Canelo,Dela Hoya are better than Kovalev,Kessler or Froch
     
    ideafix12, Sep 17, 2019
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