Never stated Liston had no jab. Foreman’s jab was termed the best since Joe Louis back in the early 70’s. If you don’t know already that you cannot believe anything Foreman says your knowledge of the sport is minimalistic. George constantly contradicts himself.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Foreman quit vs Ali. Very uneducated comment. George was exhausted, was caught Square on the chin with Alis Sunday best and was knocked down. He BARELY missed beating the count by a hairs breath. To try to equate this in any way with a hwt champion quitting on his stool because his shoulder hurt is laughable and shows your obvious misunderstanding of the sport. He was using his left hand with no signs on injury seconds before he quit. Liston quitting as he did is perhaps the greatest black mark on any hwt champion in boxing history.
It was stated many times back during that time. There is a video of one of Foreman’s bouts prior to fighting Frazier where Don Dunphy reiterates this observation. Boxing 101.
Who are you addressing? Got a link to the video you cite as evidence to back up your statement? Debating 101.
A few posters share your opinion in this thread, Jack. Most notably that Eddie Ezzard, I would probably add. https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...e-early-1970s-heavyweight-scene.638203/page-7 Foreman invariably showed tremendous heart in his comeback but finished his first career with a bit of a question mark hanging over it that his showing in the Lyle barnburner didn't wholly dissipate.
He did. Foreman quit, plain and simple and it haunted him for years. He wasn't out, he just a conscious decision stay down. Foreman didn't even protest when the referee waved it off. He walked back to his corner with his tail between his legs. His performance was slightly better than Buster Douglas only because he went a few rounds longer.
Valid points. Yes, I believe Norton-whacking Foreman outmuscles and pulverizes Liston. I don't see the first Ali fight as dubious at all: Liston sucked that night, and he got beat by somebody better. All just my opinion, and I certainly sympathize with your post.
The evidence was right there in the center of the ring laying down waiting for the referee to hurry up and count faster. On the contrary you have no evidence that Liston's shoulder wasn't injured. Or possibly his Mafia tied management told him to drop it. You have no clue. My point is we really don't know. There was criminal ties, The NOI, all sorts of things going on in Miami. For God's Harold Conrad had to ask Malcom to leave so people don't get spooked off about the fight. He did leave but cameback the nite of. Liston showed courage and toughness in other fights when he was younger.
I must be blind, because I saw that fight on closed circuit tv back in the day and everybody saw that perfect right hand dead on the button. Foreman was ****ed up. He never saw that right hand, otherwise he would have made it back up. If I remember correctly, Foreman told people back in the early 90s that he couldn't remember much about the knockdown except that he got up thinking he'd been counted out. Ali massacred him.
The ref did not “wave it off”. He counted Foreman out for a ten count. A ten count he barely missed beating. To ANY WAY compare a hwt champion struggling to rise and barely missing by a hairs breath of rising on time to a hwt champion who quit on his stool claiming a shoulder injury in an arm he was using without difficulty seconds before shows extreme lack of boxing history knowledge. Completely and utterly incomparable.
And, in terms of trying desperately to fight on and resume a fight he was getting a pasting in (ie showing massive fighting heart) that walk back to his corner doesn't stack up favourably against the image of that well-known quitter (apparently) Mike Tyson, one eye swollen shut, trying to shove his mouthpiece in (not an action that came naturally to Mike, as it turned out) so he could get back to getting his face in the way of Buster Douglas' punches. Sorry. Couldn't resist that. Apologies also for the overuse in that last paragraph of all the brackets (parentheses).
Most fighters that want to continue would protest and at least let the referee know I want to continue. Foreman did neither. That right hand your talking about from Ali was taken by Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Jerry Quarry and never saw the canvas. Foreman had a better chin than those guys. So which is it?
