Jack Dempsey vs Cleveland Williams

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  1. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Williams would be a hard test for dempsey. H2h he NEVER faced this pack this level of hitting power+ speed
     
    Charlietf, Apr 11, 2020
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  2. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Louis didn't draw a color line. He defended the title against black fighters.
     
    70sFan865, Apr 11, 2020
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    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Wrong. Louis fought black fighters, although not as many as he should. Johnson sighned to fight all the best black fighters of his day. The promoters cancelled the fight

    The truth is Dempsey would never take this fight.
     
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    I agree with this, Williams would be the biggest most skilled puncher Dempsey faced, so a chance of an upset. Dempsey has advantages of stamina, workrate and toughness over Williams
     
    CharlesBurley, Apr 11, 2020
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    Like Tyson v Ruddock 1, but without the crazy ending in the seventh round. Dempsey soaks up the hard shots from Williams, drops him early and then finally stops him.
    Dempsey wko 7.
     
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  6. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fulton was bigger and at least comparable as a puncher.
     
    70sFan865, Apr 11, 2020
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    Taller.
     
    mcvey, Apr 11, 2020
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    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Taller but gangly. Hard to say without seeing him.
     
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  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Did Dempsey ever beat a heavyweight as good as Machen in a head to head sense?
     
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  10. Knights107

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    Imho can we switch question to dempsey vs patterson?

    It's disrespect match past champion to non champion(contender) in other era.
    :D:D:godsdrink0nw:
     
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  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Fulton turned out to be a prototype of David Price.
     
    Seamus, Apr 11, 2020
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    If Cleveland got a shot at Patterson or Ingo he might have been champ

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    CharlesBurley, Apr 11, 2020
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    Yes, he's Big Cat for a reason..
     
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  14. The Long Count

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    I like Dempsey here. Williams never impressed and is very padded. Dempsey had real talent, despite wasting it as champion.
     
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    Williams turned out to be nothing special. His best win is probably over Terrell (and he lost rematch) and his other best result is draw against Machen. That's it.
    Fulton had chin problems, but at least he beat Sam Langford, wins much better than anything Williams ever accomplished.

    I think that both were hyped prospects who turned out to be overrated. Williams never won anything against the best fighters of his era.
     
    70sFan865, Apr 11, 2020
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