Why does this forum think old time heavies sucked?

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  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because he was born too early? Or do you have any arguments to back it up?
     
    70sFan865, Jun 22, 2020
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    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Because he's nowhere near as good as them.
     
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  3. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Explain it though, saying "he's not good enough" is not argument by itself.
     
    70sFan865, Jun 22, 2020
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    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    How can I explain it ?! o_O:eek:
    From the available footage of him, he's nowhere near as skilled. I don't know how else to put it.
     
    Johnny_B, Jun 22, 2020
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    See this is exactly what I'm talking about.

    In 20/30 years time you'll be arguing against some modenrist who is saying Mayweather would get beaten to a pulp by whoever the current WW champ of the day is.
     
    lufcrazy, Jun 22, 2020
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    The answer is because he hasn't watched footage of Gans in detail.
     
    lufcrazy, Jun 22, 2020
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    And it might be true. That doesn't take away Mayweather's greatness though, as it also doesn't take away Gans's.
    As I've said countless times, I don't deny Gans's or other old timers greatness, but that doesn't mean they'd do that well H2H
     
    Johnny_B, Jun 22, 2020
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    That right there is your problem in a nutshell

    "they"

    Fights should be evaluated on a case by case basis based around styles.

    You'll struggle to find many ATG fighters who look "worse" than Carl Froch, yet he broke the P4P top ten and was the number 1 fighter in his division.
     
    lufcrazy, Jun 22, 2020
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  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Mayweather would be too antiquated and Tyson Fury will be "too small" for the 7'5 365 pound super super heavies of that era
     
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Jun 22, 2020
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    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    You still have no argument unless you believe that the guy who looks better on film always wins, which I assume you know is not always the case
     
    Richmondpete, Jun 22, 2020
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    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But that's not true... Gans is extremely skilled based on available footage.
     
    70sFan865, Jun 22, 2020
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    I'm sure all the "size matters" brigade are gonna put all their money on Jarrell Miller in his next title shot.
     
    lufcrazy, Jun 22, 2020
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    We discussed Gans awhile back on this forum. I watched video and was not impressed with Gans, from memory his balance, footwork, his chin stuck up in the air, etc. wasn't good. If Gans was born in 1995 and trained like a modern fighter he might be excellent, I don't know. As he was, he lacks fundamentals...The fight below looks like something from a Toughman or Rough N Rowdy contest. It looks like two willing but unskilled fighters throwing wide arm punches with little defense. Was there a jab in the entire video?

    If watching this type "boxing" excites a person or if someone considers this to be highly skilled boxing, that person doesn't need to spend money to watch top fights, he should just find out if there is a Toughman or Rough N Rowdy contest nearby.


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    Pat M, Jun 22, 2020
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  14. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe try watching fight that wasn't a fix ;)
     
    70sFan865, Jun 22, 2020
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  15. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I think Hearns vs Leonard 1 was like a Rough n Rowdy contest
     
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Jun 22, 2020
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