Who could beat the Marciano bunch...

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  1. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fair argument don’t see him out boxing Moore. Walcott I can see him knocking out
     
  2. janitor

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    That doesn't necessarily mean that they wee harder to stop.
    Was he?

    How do you figure that one out?
    Because there is nothing about Witherspoon's record, to suggest that he was a knockout artist.

    Nothing!
     
  3. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Solid pick.

    I´ll include David Haye for some quick KOs.
     
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  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    No it doesn't, not necessarily. But in this case, they are. I'm fairly certain that no version of Randolph Turpin could stop Greg Page.
    Yes. He KOed Coetzee in one. Even an old one was better a win than an older LaStarza for Cockell, or a controversial decision over Rex Layne for LaStarza. Plus, I'll take Bruno doing so well vs Lewis over what I see from those two as well.
    So you're saying Witherspoon couldn't punch then?
     
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  5. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Does he need to be an KO-artist to go quicker than 9.25 avr. rounds ? The question was who could do it quicker, no one was discussing KO-artists ;)
     
  6. CharlesBurley

    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Very Likely

    Tyson
    Wlad
    Foreman
    Joshua
    Wilder
    Liston
    Frazier
    Holyfield
    Bowe

    Maybes

    Vitali
    Dempsey
    Shavers
    Tua
    Ibeabuchi
    Witherspoon
    Rudduck
    Bruno
    Morrison

    What you have to think is all these guys would be fighting at LHW today, all of them. A good big un beats a good little un. Giving up 30-60lbs of weight in boxing is a heck of a disadvantage in every facet. It's not just power, it's chin, it's been knocked off balance, it's being pushed back, it's about getting tired of having a heavy oaf leaning on you, it's about them being able to reach you before you can reach them.

    Weight classes for a reason
     
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  7. SerbianLoudmouth

    SerbianLoudmouth Overhand right-Suzie Q Full Member

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    "Marciano is overrated" said Tyson fan from their stupid fan army...if anything Marciano is underrated along with Johnson,Baer,Dempsey...
     
  8. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Did you read the question/got what this thread is all about, or :copas: the :stirrpot again?
     
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  9. janitor

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    You would have to at least be somebody who typically KOd his better opponents, before I picked you to beat somebody faster than Marciano!
     
  10. janitor

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    Lastarza and Cockell were not the greatest contenders, and they were not big men, but they were tricky defensive specialists.

    They were not easy guys to put away.

    I am not seeing anything in Witherspoon's record, to suggest that he does it quicker than Marciano.
    Lastarza was the #1 contender when Marciano beat him, and Cockell was the #2 contender.

    They were not the best contenders of their era, but they deserved their rankings, and were not men to take lightly.
    No, I am just saying that he does not fall into the same category as Marciano!
     
  11. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Without a shadow of a doubt by a peak Tyson, Liston, Foreman.
    Many other modern ATGs would beat those too, but I don't know exactly how fast.
     
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    Ali, never, he was not a KO artist.
    Liston and Foreman definitely.
     
  13. janitor

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    I am not so sure.

    You can't exactly fault his opposition, and his KO% still held up!
     
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    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Yea, but it was mostly due to an accumulation of punches. He will definitely beat all of them, but I'm not so sure on how fast.
     
  15. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    I wouldn´t rule 60s Ali out here. He was a bit more agressive due to more energy.

    9.4 rounds is hell lot of time to stop each of these seniors. Young Ali could very well finish the job quicker.