He isn't undersized because he does have good reach. He had only 2 boxers from true top 10 in the ring. Old Ortiz ( this is like old Povetkin had been feeded for A.J ). Fury. And Fury beated him up in U.S. While Wilder did not had notable fights outside of hometown. Did not had A.J, Ruiz Jr, Parker in the ring.
Thanks. It's flattering to share the same view on boxing with someone who has been following boxing for 40 years. A few years ago I would have asked if you are Bert Sugar. I was and still am a big Wilder fan, and at first it felt bad to consider the possibility that Wilder may be a fraud. Do you think that Wilder was in on it, or did he truly believe in his own hype due to careful match making by his team? If this gets out I think a lot more people will fancy themselves as potential boxing champions. The implications of a defending heavyweight boxing champion being a fraud will make YouTubers having professional boxing fights seem like child's play.
A mutual sparring partner of Wilder, Wlad, and Joshua rated their punching power as 10, 8, and 7 respectively. I think his name is Joey Jdeko. I used his rating because he's been in there with all three in Sparring. However sparring with 16 ounce gloves is not the same as being in the ring on fight night when both fighters are in tip top shape and fighting seriously. Personally, now I've looked back at Wilder's fights, I would give a pre-Fury Wilder an 8 out of 10 punching power rating. A heavy weight boxer whose head is a magnet for right hands, getting his chin cracked after so many fights is a valid assumption. Fury had already being knocked down once by Wilder in their first fight and had taken punches from Wilder in addition to moving around the ring so much.
Looking at it objectivly Wilder has to possess tremendous power. His boxing skills and ring IQ are minimal yet he still took a world title and has a win over Luis Ortiz. People who have gotten in the ring with him also say he punches incredibly hard. But i still do agree that Wilder is or "was" severely overrated. I'd actually argue that a win over Parker would make you more proven then a win over Wilder This is Earnie Shavers all over again. Earnie doesn't have the best resume and has gotten beaten by bums but everyone who has fought both Shavers and Foremam claimed Shavers hit harder. But despite this some people see Shavers punching power as a myth. Shavers clearly had monstrous power but didn't have good boxing skills and he payed for it
Wilder was like the football team or basketball team that played all the crappy teams and were undefeated because of it. Then when they played the better teams, they lost. While Wilder was beating up bums, he looked amazing. But his handlers knew that he never would have beaten AJ, Whyte and other fighters. That's why he constantly said no to bigger and bigger offers from them. As long as he could fight bums and people believed he was an amazingly hard puncher, then he could carry on the fraud. Fury is perpetuating a similar fraud right now because he has avoided all the better heavyweights and fought Euro-bums and Wilder twice. So now many of you hail him as unbeatable when in fact he is VERY beatable and actually lucky that he has not lost yet. Had he fought better opposition, he would have lost a couple of times by now. Wilder, had he fought better opposition, would have been exposed and his power would no longer be so highly regarded.
By pushing this narrative you undermine Fury. You understand that, right? And then if Fury beats AJ, you make AJ even weaker and in so doing expose Olympic gold as political rather than merit based. You're about to tip over a bunch of dominoes that may not land how you would prefer.
Dunno about that, Wilders almost handicapped by his bottom half.. you're comparing a guy that has the legs of a feather to HWs with actual HW legs lol.. for somebody at such a disadvantage as wilder to be as effective as he is shows there is something different there.. i can't stand the guy but his power is legit freakish for someone that has such poor centre of gravity , balance and long spindly legs.. he is half praying mantis half wrecking ball! His bottom half has no business being a notable heavyweight banger! I've seen featherweights with stronger looking legs than that.. so quite obviously his power is generated from his top half, which means he's a legit freak (power wise) considering his KO ratio. He is obviously poor technically, yet he medalled at the Olympics & got to the top of the game as a pro.. so why was that? Power! Enough to compensate for his many flaws. Yes his calibre of opposition isn't great but watch this shot below for example, no real intent behind it, looks fairly routine, doesn't really wind it up or generate much torque, just thows it .. yet it lays him out flat! Spider twerk is a legit HW KO artist that will be in ppls conversations when they are sat discussing the divisions top punchers over the years, whether you like it or not, he just will.. he's just a bell end & limited technically: This content is protected
The biggest myth in boxing is that power comes from the legs. For a step in jab maybe, but for a right hand not really. Look at Wilder's upperbody, he's built like Johnny Bravo, and has a bigger frame than Joshua and maybe even Fury. Joshua and Fury just carry more muscle, in the case of Fury, more fat. That one punch knockout of Ortiz is convincing if you just take it as it is, but I've explained in my original post why I think it happened.
So explain how such a limited fighter, with low ring IQ could amass such a high ko percentage if not for his power.
As I explained to the world years ago, he hits about as hard as Fury, the main difference being that he winds up with one shot like a barfighter, whereas Fury is a consummate professional that never over-commits. https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/wilder-hits-about-as-hard-as-fury-nothing-more.560260/ QUOTE="catchwtboxing, post: 17801386, member: 107561"] Fury is a boxer and does not try for knockouts. With Wilder it is all that he has. The apparent differances are merely differances of effort. As for not having the opportunity to land the right hand, what went wrong against Molina? Duhaupas? Did he not have the opportunity to land agains the tub of guts Stivern?[/QUOTE] Fighting guys with rhabdomyolysis and severe high blood pressure..fighting part-time school teachers...having friends take dives... There are ways.