Who is the man at heavy...Usyk or Fury?

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Usyk or Fury

  1. Usyk

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    46.3%

  2. Fury

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    53.7%
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  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Whatever, sicko.

    Look, I don't intend to talk to you any further. I flat out don't think that you have anything of value to contribute to one of my threads. Even you know in your heart that you are a sick, strange puppy.

    Good luck to you. I hope you work out whatever emotional problems that you have.
     
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  2. navigator

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    :risunis: 'You habitually pull my card and I can't outwit you, you're sick in the head! Reeeeeeeee!'
     
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  3. kirk

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    I like Usyk and cant really stand Fury, but Ill be honest I dont see much of a case for Usyk here.

    Fury is the linear champion, dethroning Wlad, and has beaten Wilder three times, and he was the champion before Usyk even arrived at the weight.

    Usyk has beaten AJ twice, which is magnificent, but not quite enough to claim top spot, imo.

    Kinda crazy to me the votes are as close as they are lol.
     
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  4. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think a lot of people feel that Wlad was past it and Joshua is just plain better than Wilder.
     
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    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Egads, behold, could it be a straight-shooting fan?




    Meanwhile, @catchwtcuckold still can't bring himself to edit the original post of his thread. :eusa_dance:
     
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  6. kirk

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    I can understand that... Wlad was past it, and I can accept that AJ is better than Wilder.

    But AJx2, Chisora, Bellew > Wilderx3, Wlad, Chisorax2, Whyte?

    Considering Fury was champion pre Usyk, and beat the lineal champion?

    Seems pretty baseless. AJ is a very good win, but he doesnt outweigh everything Fury has done and the context of it, imo.
     
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  7. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think its pretty close, as reflected here.

    Fury
    WladKlit, WilderX2, Cunningham, ChisoraX2, Whyte, Wallin, Hammer, Johnson, Pianeta, Rogan

    Usyk
    JoshuaX2, Breidis, Gassiev, Glowacki, Hunter, Bellew, Huck, Mchunu, Chisora, Mueller

    Considering that a number of Usyk's cruiser wins have had significant heavyweight fights, one of Fury's top five or six wins is a cruiser, and Usyk has beaten Chisora, who is still one of Fury's best, I am not seeing a lot of difference.

    I think the closeness you see reflects that that have very close resumes.
     
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  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The only time I saw Fury's second best win in with a prime world champion who was above C level he lost x 3 in his own backyard and even worse he fought an inactive shell of them in the first fight and one who had a terrible camp for the third one. None of those fights were competitive sans the rounds where Fury was knocked down and it's very telling the only time he was close to full strength he never touched down once and he literally beat the soul out of that have gloves won't travel exposed hype manufactured fraud bum's body.

    Truth be told if it wasn't for PBC smoke & mirrors and the WBC who obviously rigged their rankings to keep that Dosser gravy train rolling for Big Al and The Dosser the later would've been exposed way sooner.

    The skill level of his opponents is truly atrocious and even one of his former opponents has come out and admitted he was paid to take a dive. Watch the Helenius fight again it's plain to see that big glass-jawed goof Helenius literally did everything he could to hand him a KO victory and whilst his skill level is poor he's a very experienced pro and amateur and obviously he knew he was facing someone with a devastating right hand which is the only punch he had to look out for and even a schoolboy amateur would know not to hand their chin on a platter to their opponent like that.

    And let's not forget Helenius, like Scuba Scott, is a friend of The Dossers and we all know Scuba took a dive in that one too.
     
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  9. kirk

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    Not arguing with you, just curious, if you can make the case for me as to what Gassievs, Glowacki and Bellews significance are for Usyks heavyweight resume?
     
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  10. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bellew beat Haye twice at heavy.

    Glowacki and Gassiev not so much yet, but Brieidis spent half his career at heavy and has a serviceable win against Charr. Hunter has had a very good heavyweight career including the win against Bakole. Huck never got a big win, but came within a razors edge against Povetkin.
     
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    Criminy, yet new depths of desperation plumbed by @catchwtcornball.
     
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  12. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That will be decided next year.
     
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  13. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Great post.
    Very accurate.
    If Fury detractors cannot even concede these points, they likely will only ever respond with hate & willfully ignorant distortions.
     
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  14. Murderers' Row

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    It's because a lot of people don't like Fury's personality. It clouds their judgment.

    Take Floyd Mayweather for example, he was an incredible boxer and yet you still have a lot of people calling him overrated, a fraud and a cherry picking charlatan.

    The man's a muppet but you can't question his talent.
     
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  15. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree Fury is definitely ahead of Usyk on HW resume at present, although it's a bit closer than stated since wins over Briedis (who destroyed Charr) and Hunter (who beat Bakole) should have some weight at HW. I do also think that Usyk's CW achievements should have some weight, e.g. whenever Floyd or Pac or Crawford or Canelo etc. moved up they were automatically major players in the new division.

    Thus it's not enough for me to vote for Fury in the poll, so I didn't vote. To be "the man" for me you need to be a very clear #1 in the division.
    They need to fight each other before I'm ready to crown the HW man.
     
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