Luis Ortiz expose Fury and put the final nail in the coffin

He is an incredibly accomplished man from a fascinating family, but there is nothing larger than life about a mental, cocaine fueled *****. İ see much more inspiration and bravery in a common man struggling worthily against adversity that İ do in Tyson unfortunately.

 

Interesting use of the that idiom seeing as though Ortiz has AARP Burial Insurance.

 

Ortiz is a skilled boxer and Ruiz would have lost without the knockdowns. But the reality is he gets knocked down easier than Povetkin now because of age.

Credit to him he's in great shape for 65, and I'm impressed Ruiz didn't KO him and he didn't really look that hurt despite being knocked down.

Ortiz may be knocked down easily but he isn't hurt easily.

I still think Ortiz would cause many of the top 10 problems.

 

How many threads must Lord Nosh create to get us to to understand Fury talks a fair bit of bollocks and that this is a crap fight


We get it by now

 

February Usyk is highest Usyk bud. His peak bren and gone. March/April/May Usyk not good. Fury lie, twist, and do anything to make Usyk fight like s****.

Warren on August 22, speaking to The Mirror, one day before Arum's tweet;

"The problem for us is, we can't put it on in the UK in winter. We would have to wait until the end of April, May next year and I'd much rather get the thing on. There's a lot of interest in Saudi. They have literally put their marker in the sand and said they are in big-time boxing. Well, there's nothing bigger than this out there in the world of boxing."

Warren, on September 8, six days after Usyk discounted the December 17 date in his Kyiv news conference (with timestamped video);

"The only reason this has come about is because the intention was for the unification fight to take place in December."

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So, there's Frank confirming that his side were pushing to stage Fury-Usyk in Saudi before the end of 2022, with specific reference to December.

On the same day that Warren made his statement to The Mirror, August 22, the Saudis publically confirmed their interest in the prospect of staging Fury-Usyk. 'Prince' Mohammad Abdulaziz, quoted in Irish Mirror;

"We're interested. That's all I can say. In the winter time, if it does happen, I think it will be hosted in Riyadh. But we still haven't decided on anything."

Just to put the boot in while you're down, over a week after Warren's statement, Egis Klimas confirmed that staging the bout "maybe by the end of the year" was still a possibility under discussion (this was two days before Usyk ultimately discounted it at his September 2 news conference). Here's the video, also timestamped;

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No. The December 17 Saudi date was being reported by Daily Mail as far back as June, before Usyk and Joshua had even fought their rematch, though Fury denied any knowledge of it at the time;

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The origins of that date irrefutably lie in a mooted Fury-Usyk bout in Saudi Arabia, to take place one day before the World Cup Final in Qatar.

Hearn later disingenuously pushed for December 17 during the Fury-Joshua negotiations, claiming that Warren already had Cardiff booked for that date.

However, the choice given to Joshua was always November 26 in London or the December 3 date for which Cardiff was actually earmarked, as evidenced by this widely reported comment Fury offered to talkSPORT;

"I have seen that they are trying to wriggle a little bit with the date because we officially have Manchester United's football ground booked for the twelfth of November. However, they are saying that is too short. So, what I have got that's even better than that is Wembley Stadium booked for the twenty-sixth of November of this year. And if he doesn't want to go to Wembley at the end of November, I even have a December date for him, the third of December at Cardiff."

December 17 was a no-go for Fury and Warren, because they were now planning to leave adequate turnaround for the possibility of facing Usyk in February or March, which we are about to clarify in the next passage.

That's right, but only after Usyk had ruled out the proposal to box in December. Here's the Warren quote you're referring to, with timestamped video;

"The only reason this has come about is because the intention was for the unification fight to take place in December. That's where Tyson's head was and also Usyk's. Subsequently, Usyk said that he was not available and wouldn't be available until February or March."

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At the September 2 news conference in Kyiv, a Ukrainian journalist questioned Usyk regarding Frank Warren's interest in staging Fury and Usyk at "the end of the year" (an apparent translation of the journalist's words). Usyk responded by discounting the possibility of boxing in December. Here it is, timestamped;

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Usyk explicitly mentions December. Why would he make a public statement that he did not wish to box in December, before going on to explain his reasons, if a December date had never been in discussion?

Try again.

Usyk never publically announced that he would box in December. That doesn't mean that he didn't consider the proposal during discussions between the camps (which he confirmed were underway, when speaking at his news conference) before discounting it.

Which is why I said it was reasonable.

You would known (sic) that a turnaround of four months is not unheard of, yes?

Nowhere did I state that I do not respect Usyk's wish for a longer break.

Nobody cares about your gay muay Thai, no matter how much you pretend that it has any relevance to a boxing forum. The four rounds I tossed off in the approximate timeframe of 18:05 and 18:20 yesterday evening are more rounds than you've boxed in the entirety of 2022, if you've ever even attempted to box at all.

August 20 to December 17 is four months, and I'll excuse your misapplication of the word "prior".

Anyway, that's easy, there are plenty of examples.

Straight off the top of my head, Oscar De La Hoya went from Oba Carr on May 22 of 1999 to a unification with Félix Trinidad on September 18 of the same year. That's 119 days, which (don't you just know it?) is the exact number of days between August 20 and December 17.

For as much as you post, you don't even seem to possess a working knowledge of the sport's relatively recent history.

Try again.

So, let me get this straight.

If Usyk doesn't want to box Fury in December, it's not a duck.

But if Fury boxes Usyk in March or April or May, it's a duck, because he didn't box him in February?

And you don't even realise how wacky that sounds, do you?

Chuck, you're full of bologna. Fury-Usyk was never in play for January. Again, here's a timestamped video of the exact Warren quote you're referring to;

"The only reason this has come about is because the intention was for the unification fight to take place in December. That's where Tyson's head was and also Usyk's. Subsequently, Usyk said that he was not available and wouldn't be available until February or March."

So both February and March were in play after Usyk announced that he wouldn't be boxing Fury in December.

Regardless, it is not at all uncommon for bouts to be targeted for certain dates and end up being staged a month or two later than initially projected.

Fury-Whyte was being targeted for March in Cardiff at one stage, before being set for April in London. This happens frequently. It's boxing.

If only the March version of Dillian had fought Fury instead of the April version, perhaps he wouldn't have ended up flat on his back, ay? Didn't you claim he was going to give Fury all kinds of hell in their fight?


If Fury beats Usyk in March and you cry that it's not fair because he didn't beat him in February, that makes you a female dog.

 

You may really want it to be true, but nobody with any discernment puts any store in the figure you're quoting.

As it happens, the UK didn't even re-enter national lockdown until November of 2020. Usyk-Chisora was staged the month prior. Regardless, lockdowns do not change the event-purchasing habits of Britons to the tune of several hundred thousand.

Similarly, a modest string of undercard wins over Senad Gashi, Artur Szpilka and David Price does not inspire several hundreds of thousands of Britons to suddenly decide that they want to pay £19.95 to watch Dereck Chisora box a Ukrainian.

Chisora's best PPV buyrate had been well under 500,000 for Whyte-Chisora II, which is much more the kind of 'all-British scrap' that UK punters will dig in their pockets for. And he was the B-side in that fight.

Joshua-Pulev, which took place just two months after Usyk-Chisora, was reported to have achieved around 950,000 buys. If you truly believe that Chisora, B-side to Dillian Whyte (himself a significantly smaller star than Joshua), was able to outsell Joshua by dint of having recently ploughed through a murderers' row of Gashi, Szpilka and Price, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Bear in mind, just one bout prior to his encounter with Usyk, Chisora was bitterly complaining about being billed under Josh Taylor and Regis Prograis. Yeah, heavyweights with the pull to achieve seven-figure buyrates always play second fiddle to junior welterweights...

A source connected to Hearn who posts on this forum confirmed that Usyk-Chisora did a maximum of 250,000 buys—you can choose to accept it or not, but it's a much more plausible figure than the 'official' one you're pushing here.

Well, knock me down with a feather. I completely forgot that post. But I stand by it.

It seems I was addressing @catchwtboxing. Should that guy drop by here to redeem the offer (and he could certainly use the respite from me about now), I ride into the sunset.

If only he were just as honest.

Observing that Dereck has been cynically handpicked for his relative marketability is not tantamount to excusing the selection, nor does it constitute a contradiction. You appear to have attended the same school as @Brighton bomber, who also struggles to understand nuance.

I have clearly stated that the bout is a travesty and that Wallin should've been offered the opportunity.

Try again.

Yes, your time is clearly precious.

You have an "ignore list"?

You can't refer to one example of me failing to honor a bet, because there are none.

Wait, you weren't kidding about that "ignore list"? You actually have one? Like a woman?

^ Looks like I'll be doing some bumping of my own come next year.

It'll be just like @FastLeft predicted;

I'm sure I'll find it entertaining enough for what it is. I'm a boxing lifer, after all. Where else am I gonna go?

You're free to tune out and watch some top-flight muay Thai instead. Don't let the screen door hit ya.

Enjoy hiding behind your feminine "ignore list" and pretending you didn't read this.

 

Still can't beleive Chisora knicked the only pen at 258 smh

 

he signed on the advice of his manager

 

Incidentally, re. that £500,000,000 demand, since it's a favorite mantra of the execrators @lordlosh represents;

It's worth noting Usyk's take on the matter, when questioned about it during his September 2 news conference in Kyiv;

"He's talking about five hundred million pounds for the fight. He's a lunatic. In a good sense, I mean. I also want five hundred, but it is something crazy."

He gets it.

 

Hypocritical Ortiz complaining that Fury is fighting Chisora a few months before undisputed instead of him is funny. Wasn't Ortiz one of the many heavyweights who refused the Hrgovic fight, so much so that they had to go all the way down the list to 13th or 14th ranked Zhang? Wasn't Ortiz looking for what he thought was a lower risk, higher reward fight against Andy Ruiz? And isn't Chisora coming off a win rather than a loss like he is?

 

Lord Luis, like @lordlosh, is full of bologna.

But I do like that guy. He scared Hearn absolutely rigid back in 2017.

 

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Typical fan/pundit scorecard at the moment Whyte's talcum chin disintegrated from a single uppercut;

@lordlosh,

 

Ortiz was a Cuban like Savon, a southpaw like Nistor, Cammarelle and Usyk, undefeated and never knocked down as a pro, with vast experience, decent size, heart, skills and power. Also had a front foot counter punching style like Ruiz. I firmly believe that Hearn-J dodged a bullet by swerving Ortiz in 2017.

 

Ruiz knocked Ortiz down several times and won, even Charles Martin managed to threaten Ortiz, Ortiz is an overrated fighter but I would still like to see him against Chisora or Takam...