Top Twenty P4P Head-to-Head all time blah blah blah

Yeah it's a close one i think.

 

So you're rallying for Tyson to be on, despite not beating a single ATG (that was at his best) in his prime while rallying for Ali to be off for the same reason?

 

Marciano should be out he struggled against older fighters who were at their best at Light Heavyweight, I wouldn't favour him against against most of the very best Heavyweights after the 60s. Unless your rating Marciano as a Cruiserweight ? Then yes he would rate pretty highly.

Ruben Olivares never looked unbeatable to me, and lost to Herrera x2 in his prime. I know this sounds crazy, but maybe Inoue over Olivares regarding H2H ? Even though Olivares opposition was better, regarding eye test Inoue for me rates very highly H2H past/present.

Salvador Sanchez as much as I love him as a fighter, had immense trouble vs Ford, Green Nelson, Cowdell. Although he always did find a way to win which is a great attribute of his. But it's very possible he could of lost to Pedroza, Arguello, not sure I would rate him top 20 but I love him as a fighter so I have no complaints.

The rest of your list I have no real issue with. But possibly fighters like Pryor, Armstrong, Inoue, Napoles, Holmes, Lewis, R.Lopez, could make the cut.

 

Instead of doing a top 20 i'll do one for each weightclass as i'm terrible at trying to rate fighters in order.

Heavyweight = Lennox Lewis
Cruiserweight = Rocky Marciano
Light Heavyweight = Michael Spinks
Super Middleweight = Roy Jones Jr
Middleweight = Marvin Hagler
Jr Middleweight = Thomas Hearns
Welterweight = Sugar Ray Robinson
Jr Welterweight = Jose Napoles
Lightweight = Roberto Duran
Super Featherweight = Floyd Mayweather Jr
Featherweight = Tough one for me i'll go with Pep or Armstrong, under modern rules i think Pep beats Saddler just my opinion.
Super Bantamweight = Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight = Naoya Inoue
Super Flyweight = Johnny Tapia ? i have no idea we have the likes of Gonzalez, Estrada, and even Inoue who fought at this weightclass.
Flyweight = Mark Johnson controversial pick but for me he was special in his prime a perfect blend of skills/offense.
Jr Flyweight = No idea TBH
Minimumweight = Ricardo Lopez.

 

the good thing about these kinds of lists is that no one can actually prove themselves right or be proven wrong

everybody wins

 

Its H2H P4P. So, who around or under c. 185-188 lbs would you favour to beat Marciano? If none or not many, you'll think him at least worth consideration.

 

Tyson has 1.

 

I agree this criteria is the least unfavourable for you, in terms of the ensuing debates.

 

I don't agree with you on some of these (of course), but I like this style of list way more.

 

No he doesn't. He beat an old fat past his prime Holmes who grabbed the money to purchase a building he wanted in Easton and a slightly past it above his weight with shot knees in Spinks. Tyson never beat a prime ATG and lost to guys who amounted to 0 in the division.

 

My God.

 

Spinks was prime

 

Please prove me wrong.

 

The guy worships Holmes at the alter.