pitstop champions do beat rulers, as you demonstrate here. This is usually discovered only once they have fought. My point is when are pit stoppers given a chance over rulers before they meet? Prime for prime selections in fantasy fights need to consider this. some could say using Frazier v Foreman, where Frazier was a huge favourite, is the best example of a hindsight pick. That is applying that result, with the benefit of hindsight, in another selection between two other champions. yes Douglas is a pitstop guy. Massive underdog going in. Deserves credit. Typically a pitstop champ is great enough to win the title but cannot hold it together too long beyond that point.
What you fail to factor in is that not all rulers are considered equal. For example Marciano and Ali. You also fail to embrace Liston and Foreman just happening to have the GOAT blocking their era. Frazier too in the long haul. It's disingenuous not to factor this in. Most consider all three above Marciano H2H, as well as Ali obviously. The likes of people like Louis, Ali, Tyson and Holmes had far more defences that Rocky, as many or more than the difference between him and the pit stop rulers. Via your rules it would only be logical that all those guys should be conclusively favored over Marciano. Let's just admit Liston was the best heavyweight in the world prior to getting his shot, too. Christ, even Floyd would admit this. Foreman ended up being his daddy, and then some. See, you're not talking about a low quality fighter in Liston. The guy is an ATG no matter how much you try and fit him into your basket. There were multiple sharks in the waters Buster swam in and he wasn't built for longevity mentally anyway, obviously. The way his guns were firing that night would you put your life on Marciano beating him?
Half of Moore's ko's were over nobodies But lets include him. I see two punchers of any note Walcott 38 ,Moore 39/41 Both knocked him down. Now how about you answer the question. Who are the punchers Marciano fought?
Liston would be 50/50 against Lastarza. This is based on all Lastarza's big wins? Which you will now name?
No I wouldn’t put guarantees on Marciano beating anyone who looked as great as Douglas on his best night. But that goes for most on their very best night when it comes to guarantees. I can make a case for anyone to beat anyone. Not just Marciano over Liston. But Liston over Marciano too. nobody ever asks me this. But I can equally make a case for Sonny if asked. I merely defend Marcianos case because he has a strong case. Not to be easily dismissed. I agree. Sonny is an ATG fighter. He just doesn’t deserve, in my view, the kudos of KO guarantees over so many fellow ATG. He beats some. He stops some. But there are no guarantees because his championship form doesn’t necessarily reflect guarantees. like everyone else Sonny was the best in the world outside of the champion until he beat the champion. He had to do it to prove it. And Sonny was never in line to go ahead of Ingo. I acknowledge Ali being there. And most are entitled to this view. Absolutely nothing wrong in favouring champions to beat Marciano on points.
But Moore had so many fights, he inevitably had to fight "nobodies". Imagine if Mayweather had 225 fights. Alot of his resume would be filler
Well he was beaten by Holyfield, an ATG, straight up in his very first defense. Tyson was also racing toward a rematch and one he would have been solidly favored in. Buster didn't even get that far. The better question is why have you copied the Seamus avatar?
That is true ,but if your ko resume includes debutees and wrestlers that has to be taken into account.
Absolutely nothing wrong with favouring some champions to ko Marciano, given he faced only a couple of punchers, both old men and both under 200lbs, and they knocked him down. Absolutely nothing wrong with favouring sharp shooting left jabbers like Holmes etc to tko Marciano ,given he was near to being stopped on cuts against both Charles and Simmons.