Better resume Ali vs Mayweather

Did I say they were bums? Archie Moore was a "great" fighter, but his h2h skills weren't great when he fought Floyd Patterson. Records and the ability to fight in the ring are 2 diff things.

The great fighters Floyd Mayweather beat were still good fighters, but their athleticism and skills were CLEARLY not as good as when they were in their primes. It's not even up for debate. People have eyes.

 

Toney was losing to cans and journeymen by the end of his career. B-Hop literally got knocked out of the ring. No amount of experience can ward off the effects of aging forever.

 

Just because you just learned the word retroactive a few hours ago doesn't mean it applies here.

Floyd called Gatti a C level fighter and said it was going to be an easy fight. The people saying Gatti would beat Floyd were casuals, idiots, and racists who just wanted to see him lose and were lying to themselves. As for Marquez, the main reason people gave him a chance was because of his elite skill at a lower weight and the fact Floyd had been inactive.

Now as for the actual topic at hand, anyone can see the vast difference between Floyd's best opponents and when they were prime. It isn't a downgrade, it's simply a fact. Was Tyson prime when he lost to Lennox Lewis? No, of course not. Anyone with an IQ slightly higher than yours can simply watch footage of prime Tyson and can tell he was significantly better than the shot older fighter who fought Lewis.

 

The fact these guys refuse to acknowledge the fact older fighters simply aren't as good as they were in their primes proves they are either being facetious and arguing just to argue, or they simply do not watch boxing at all and somehow can't tell the obvious difference in athleticism.

 

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You are a troll.

 

Joe Louis is held out as one of the most fundamentally sound heavyweights. All his fundamentals were of no value against Marciano because he was cooked. He said he could see what needed to be done but couldn't pull the trigger. Old boxers don't paint great canvases. They become part of them. Look at poor Archie Moore. A green Clay/Ali clowned him

 

I never thought Gatti could beat Floyd. Levels.

 

Exactly.

Even a 40 year old Holyfield is better than a 20 year old Randall Tex Cobb in terms of skill, ring IQ, timing, etc. Cobb was a slow footed caveman who blocked with his face and an old Holyfield would box circles around him.

But to suggest that the 40 year old Holyfield was better than a 20 something Holyfield is just about the stupidest thing someone can say on a boxing forum. That's essentially what they're trying to do with Floyd's best opponents pretending older versions of Pacquiao, Mosley, etc were better than their 20 something selves.

These guys are weird as hell.

 

I believe they are saying a select few could deny the laws of physiology, but even they succumbed to the laws of physiology. As you age your reflexes slow, your lens thicken, and the ratio of muscle to fat decreased. Training, medicine, and diet can slow down the aging process. It can't stop it.

 

No one can deny the laws of physiology. If anyone was going to pull that off, it would've been guys like Archie Moore or Bernard Hopkins who took very good care of themselves and still managed to fight at the elite level even in their late 40's. They both avoided partying, drinking, smoking, and stayed disciplined and in shape year round like monks, and yet they still fell victim to much younger, less experienced and less skilled fighters due to old age.

It's inevitable no matter how well you take care of yourself that at some point your career as an athlete will be over. Yet we have people in this thread pretending Pacquiao hadn't lost a step after moving up to his 5th weight class and suffering multiple KO losses in a long 10+ year career full of wars and trilogies. Make it make sense.

 

If we’re taking Floyd’s word as gospel now, you’ll agree that he’s TBE.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/mayweather-vs-corrales-gatti-predictions.245023/page-2

It’s beyond pathetic that there are people out there who picked against Mayweather for like fifteen years straight, created excuses each time he won or pretended that he didn’t, and are now downplaying his greatness. I’ve never witnessed it with a single other fighter. You wouldn’t be among them, would you?

 

Wow almost like that's exactly my point glad we agree on that!

 

Never said they could forever but there are fighters who are better in their mid to late 30s then they were in their 20s

 

Pacquiao was far above his best weight and war torn by the time he started campaigning in the same division as Floyd though and people criticize Floyd for not fighting him sooner. It seems the criticisms leveled against Floyd would apply regardless of when they fought

 

People criticise the win, because Floyd dragged him up from LW at 36, and then deliberately cheated him on the scales.

After the fight, he then immediately went back to LW.

Yes, he ended up back at WW at the end of his career, but he was never a legit WW, as you could see with his weights.

That’s why Floyd gets criticism.

But the performance was great. Floyd looked incredibly sharp, and especially coming off of a lay off.