I think the issue is not that he had a bad night - most fighters do. It's that he did badly in a novelty fight that he chose to participate in. Ali and Mayweather also had novelty fights. But to be fair both did it at the end of their careers when they had already built their legacies. The problem with Fury is that he did it when there were still plenty of credible threats and challengers around. He was, let's remember at the time, calling himself the greatest fighter of his generation... without actually getting in the ring to prove it against top ranked fighters - many of whom were calling for the opportunity. Usyk, for example, had been chasing him for years. And it also came fresh off the back of the unnecessary third Chisora fight. So yes he performed badly vs Ngannou - but it's taking that fight in the first place - as well as the timing of it - which causes him the most reputational damage IMO.
To muddy the waters even more. So the lineal title is the only thing that can point out the real champion. Usyk is the champion. Dubois isn't.
Well, Sullivan, Jess Willard and Jack Dempsey were out of action for longer periods of time and they were still considered champions after coming back. There is no precedence for such a long layoffs like Lennox', so he definitely would have a claim, but would he be lineal? The public would decide. Since it's been over 20 years and the new lineage was clearly established and strengthen with the undisputed title, most likely not.
1) Ngannou is a novice. AJ showed him up for what he is which makes it worse. 2) Fury’s body of work overall is very average. He should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Ali. Ever. Also, Ali had that exhibition in 1979. Ali had beaten all-comers by then and was well in decline. It’s not a valid comparison by any measure. 3) Lyle Alzado had his ears boxed off against Ali. Ali was not smacked up “fairly good” at all. That’s a fabrication. You should be embarrassed trying that one on. They weren’t even trying to hurt each other. Legacy - well tell me, what is Fury’s legacy? A trilogy against an overhyped can crusher, losing clearly twice against a blown up cruiserweight, a few cash grabs against a journeyman/gatekeeper and a win over a completely washed Wlad. He has no legacy. He’s a middling heavyweight champion who conned plenty into believing he is better than he is. And the shambles against a novice MMA guy showed him up as exactly that.
Dude, read more closely before trying to be a logician. I literally cited the other major milestones in Fury's career, and I assumed you were aware enough of Usyk's career achievements that you'd at least understand why someone might deem him an ATG (besides, Usyk's legacy isn't the core subject here). I won't spell them out for you though, as you seem to have very selective reading. Also disagree on Fury being past his best hurting Usyk's legacy as Usyk was past prime as well, and Fury was an incumbent undefeated world champion. He hardly dragged him from out of the grave.
Of course you couldn't be bothered because you had no answer to it that's plainly obvious because everything i stated was a fact about Marquez's opponents in which you dishonestly tried to troll and being extremely negative trying to compare it to Fury and got found out. Wilder is a big puncher yes but very limited skill wise with a very thin resume himself. I'm not saying Fury didn't show heart i'm saying his H2H ability has always been overrated, he struggled too much vs Wilder overall and he's had too many poor performances vs mediocre opposition. But i don't even think Fury should've been fighting Wilder 3 times anyway once Fury beat him the 2nd time that should've been the end of it.
Its the opposite. Lineal is the most prestigious honor in the sport. Undisputed is arbitrary and doesn't even include the interim belts. Its a way for the alphabet bodies to get everyone to acknowledge how amazing and important they all are.
Fury is a slob who fights to the level of his opponent. It hurts his resume, but he just about dragged is reputation back by having very close fights with Usyk.
It is at the arse-end and he's bang in the middle of being found out by a better fighter. It won't matter that much.
Imagine if Joe Parker beat Rico Verhoeven or something like that, it'd be ****ing nuts if anyone cared about kickboxing.
Like I said, Roy's best ever win is a guy whose 0 had already been unofficially harvested before Roy beat him by a club fighter named Dave Tiberi And his other best win B-Hop was not only lucky to escape with a draw vs a club fighter from Ecuador but he's lucky both the KDS he suffered occurred right near the end of the round because he may well have been KO'd by that South American club fighter How much does Roy's PED abuse affect his legacy? The RoJos gonna sweep that one under the carpet Granted, Belly's a PED cheat too
Fury thought he could roll out of bed and beat Ngannou, and Ngannou just about uppercutted him back into bed for his presumption. Fury has a knack for looking like flaming dogshyte against guys he could beat without breaking a sweat at his best. The Ngannou fight is an embarrassment.