Would anyone pick Wilder to beat Liston??

Nor could I mate.I just hate it and always will.

 

Liston beat better quality of men, whereas Wilder is more proven against modern sized heavies.

 

He missed lots of people. It's a travesty that Wilder and AJ never fought

 

I know this is what you meant

 

Ali proved he had a great chin later on, Liston did not.

Williams had Liston reeling and leaking from the nose in the first round.

He could if he killed himself to make weight like most SMWs do.

Frankie Daniels.

Yeah, because you tried to make it seem as if Liston hurting Wepner was a big deal when Ali did the same and knocked the guy down as well.

 

Liston did prove he had a great chin.Why are you denying this ? So Williams had Liston reeling ? So what ?
The fact that Sonny didn't go down after being hit by one of the hardest punchers in history proves he had
a great chin.
As for Floyd boiling down to 167.5 lbs ? An already,fight-fit peak Patterson would have to lose more than 20 lbs
to equal Berlanga's weight.Patterson would have looked absolutely anorexic at the weigh-in.
'' Ali did the same '' re Chuck Wepner.Are you kidding ? Wepner needed far less stitches after fighting Ali than
he did after fighting Liston .72 stitches required for Wepner's cuts after Liston fight,23 stitches required by
Wepner after he fought Ali, plus a broken cheekbone and nose mainly attibuted to Liston's jab.
Liston stopped Wepner after 9 rounds whereas Chuck lasted until the 15th round against Ali.All this
achieved by Sonny when he was way past his prime.

 

Jesus Christ Williams wasn't "one of the hardest punchers in history", you could name at least 20 guys that punch harder than he does.

He looked in-shape, not anorexic. Berlanga looked anorexic at the weigh-in but quite in-shape in the match itself.

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Is ANY of this supposed to be impressive? The fact that he dished out all that damage and still couldn't knock Chuck out is embarrassing on Liston's part. Ali actually KO'd Wepner by having him down for the count. Liston gave him all he had and Wepner was still on his feet swinging back.

 

Really desperate lol Williams can punch hard but wasn’t very good so Liston won… you can’t erase that SL got beat up easily 2x by Ali whilst being hurt numerous times and then quit because he couldn’t hang so you’re clinging to the fact an 8-0 Liston survived a LHW who broke his jaw as some sort of pro? - a lot of the “pros” you are listing for Liston are not the impressive feats you seem to think they are.

 

If you don’t think Patterson who weighed vs Ingo the first time around 182lbs and then onwards about or just under190lbs… couldn’t make 168lbs you fundamentally don’t understand weight cutting.

 

Ah but I do.I know all about this stuff about fighters rehydrating by to 20 lbs.But honestly it is a
helluva stretch to believe that Floyd could have cut that much weight.

 

Ok so you are desparately ignoring the fact that Cleveland Williams was a terrific puncher who
caught Liston with some of his best punches but Liston avoided a knock-down,and went on to
beat Williams very conclusively.No doubt you find all these facts very inconvenient for your
bizarre notion that Sonny lacked a great chin and courage.
By the way, what exactly is the point you're trying to make re Sonny fighting on with a broken jaw ?

 

Please don't take the Lord's name in vain.I genuinely find this offensive.

Neither you,me nor anybody else could name, with empirical evidence , 20 heavyweights who could
definitely punch harder than Cleveland Williams.

Even if Berlanga could rehydrate by up to 20 lbs could he replicate the raw power of even a small
heavyweight like Floyd Patterson ?

So according to you Sonny achieving in 9 rounds what took Ali 15 rounds to accomplish means that
Liston's performance was less impressive than Ali's ? Hmm....perhaps you would like to go over that again.

 

Why? there are 168lbers who weighed as much as Floyd.

 

I could, in fact I'll do it now.
1-) Lewis
2-) Bowe
3-) Shavers
4-) Foreman
5-) Liston
6-) Dubois
7-) Zhang
Cooney
9-) Smith
10-) Lyle
11-) Wilder
12-) Anthony Joshua
13-) Ruddock
14-) Tyson
15-) Morrison
16-) Briggs
17-) Wladimir
1 Tua
19-) Bruno
20-) Sanders

Probably not. The point here is Patterson wasn't exactly towering over a guy that fights at SMW.

I think a guy that got put down by Ali taking everything Liston threw and standing on his feet is embarrassing. You do know Wilder would literally kill Wepner in the 1st round right?