In 5 years people will accept Usyk as the GOAT heavyweight

He's better overall than Wlad but I don't think he surpasses Wlad as a heavyweight personally. He's got better names but I do think completely locking down a whole era for over a decade or however long his reign was has to count for something.

 

Goat? the only goat he is eats grass

 

That and Wlad got 69 fights. Usyk only 23. That’s literally 3 times as many as Usyk.

Fighting 69 times got to count for something as well. Every time a fighter gets in the ring he needs to put in a performance again and he can get beat, hurt, knocked out etc.

Every kid can figure out that fighting over 60 men is tougher then fighting about 20.

 

I've seen all of Vlad's fights. The first 30 are an early 20's gold medal winning super athlete OBLITERATING guys (save the Purrity loss) who don't hold a candle to Usyk's WBSS run opponents. The number of fights is not relevant. Quality is everything.

If you want to see some scary KO's in 1 or 2 rounds, watch the first half of Vlad's career. They're typical cab driver style journeymen.

 

Ok quality is everything you say. Fury and Joshua are quality I would say. Where do you rank those two all time?

 

Quality and quantity matter. Even beating top 10 fighters has value, you can't just ignore it, and focus on 3 wins out of 69 fights, thats cherry picking and completely unfair.

 

Keep crying you old delusional narc.

 

Tick tock.

 

People will be calling him the goat until we get someone as big as Usyk that starts at heavyweight instead of cruiserweight. And then reality will set in when we look back at this era and realize how many fights Usyk missed out on. He beat 4 heavyweights

David Surov will surpass Usyk. Mark my words

 

It will all depend how he finishes... I'd like to see him snag the Australian and the 20 year old on the resume and then its mind blowing

 

A guy that has had 8 fights at HW, 3 of them being rematches, cant be the GOAT HW.

The whole "globalized" sport thing is pretty funny too when you consider that 4 of Usyks 5 HW opponents are from one country.

 

In 5 years time I'll still have Louis as the GOAT.

 

Lennox Lewis is the GOAT

 

In 5 years Usyk will not be accepted as the GOAT, but if he beats these next 3 opponents I would certainly argue that he would beat Louis / Ali from a H2H perspective. I already think that now, but I think a lot more people would agree after he is finished fighting.

 

This argument is defunct after the last Dubois win. Dead in the water. Usyk is the best heavy of the post-Klit era. He has beaten the #2, #3, and #4, no matter how you rank them, twice each. That is OUTSTANDING.

There is no one else that it would have been better to beat. Sure, either Parker or Wardley would have been better than Rico Van, but in the time frame we are talking about, beating Zhang, Hrgovic, Joyce etc instead would be a huge step backwards on his resume. Next he will move onto Kabayel.