The difference between the wins over Fury and Canelo

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rosado was pretty much out gunned and beaten down by Munguia, in a way that most didn't expect. Going into the fight, it was seen as a very even fight and I didn't expect Rosado to lose in such a one sided fashion. The scores were 119-109, 108-110, 117-111 and the impression I got was that most people agreed that this was a beatdown. So for you to claim that it was too close for comfort, those scores don't give that impression. Those scores scream comfortable win, and given how much punishment Rosado endured, how great Jamie looked that night, it all adds up to a great win. Looking at the cards, I see Deluca gave Rosado 5, 8 and 9.

    So for you to imply that Jamie didn't perform well or got a gift decision, I have an obligation to say, hold up a minute, lets not go down that road. It's the road of negativity, discontent and finding ways to discredit fighters that I fight against. I'm all about lifting fighters up and not finding reasons to discredit quality wins.
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It is curious that Deluca gave Rosado 3 rounds that the other judges gave to Munguia, while the other two rounds that were given to Rosado by other judges he scored for Munguia. There were some competitive rounds but I would still consider it a comfortable win for Jamie and an impressive one at that. Rosado had been coming off some good performances, particularly the SD loss to Jacobs that many thought he won.
     
  3. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's true Fury looked very good in the first Usyk fight. Fury was scared of Usyk and tried really hard to prepare and win.

    The rason Fury looked so bad in the circus fight was because he has the worst trainer in boxing history.
    I want to draw a comparison between Sugar and Ben, who is considered a bit of a fraud himself.
    But let's compare.

    In the Wilder fight, Ben was studying Wilder obsessively and training Fury to deal with all the problems Wilder was going to present. He mentions it himself, all the 'tape' he was watching. He didn't underestimate Wilder at all, even though Fury had far more skill.

    In the circus fight, Sugar clearly paid no respect to the opponent and barely looked at him if at all. His comment was, 'We gonna land dat RH on Naganou and go home early'.

    Even a casual follower of MMA knew that Fury's opponent had power, chin and could box well enough to KO golden gloves level fighters. He was not to be taken lightly. And even a casual follower of boxing knew Fury wasn't a KO artist.

    Sugar almost destroyed Fury's entire career that night.
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I said it was too close for comfort... here's my scorecard.

    Round 1 Munguia 10-9
    Round 2 Munguia 10-9, close
    Round 3 Rosado 10-9, close
    Round 4 Rosado 10-9, close
    Round 5 Rosado 10-9
    Round 6 Munguia 10-0, close
    Round 7 Munguia 10-9
    Round 8 Munguia 10-9
    Round 9 Rosado 10-9, close
    Round 10 Munguia 10-9, close
    Round 11 Munguia 10-9
    Round 12 Munguia 10-9

    116-112 Munguia

    115-113 is fine as well.
     
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  5. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Canelo is a bum. He couldn't put away Berlanga.
     
  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even in that case, it was not as if it would be a knock against Jamie for having a close fight with Rosado, given that Rosado just had a very close fight against Jacobs, certainly too close for comfort for Jacobs there.

    So this begs the question, why was Jamie able to have an easier time with Rosado than Jacobs had? Lets not forget that Jacobs is arguably GGG's best (official) win, who struggled to beat a guy who Rosado arguably beat himself, lost a very close split decision that was even described by some as a robbery (sound familiar). Now if the argument is that Jacobs was slightly passed it by then, fine, but I've never heard anyone make that argument, and we hear it all the time about Canelo. So what gives?
     
  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Jacobs was slightly past it by then.
     
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  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But a year before he arguably came close to beating Prime Canelo, according to many on here, or that Jacobs fought a very close fight with Canelo and didn't get completely schooled, because the official cards had it close, but some saw it more wide than others.
     
  9. theanatolian

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    I see PBC nuthugger's butthurt is still strong, still being haunted by the images of Bud who's everything he wishes his boyfriends Spence and fraud Davis were.

    "Fury the H2H one of the greatests". And for what? Beating Wlad, running scared from him for the rematch and losing twice to the only other great fighter he faced? Get the **** out of here with that garbage.

    And let's say he did take Wallin lightly. Who's to say same wasn't the case for Wlad for the Fury fight? Going into the Wlad fight, Fury's biggest accomplishment was KOing past-prime cruiserweight Cunningham with a cheap shot in a fight he was not only dropped and was getting outboxed. And Wlad came around 240lbs to most of his important fights (Joshua, Povetkin, Byrd, Haye etc) yet he was 245lbs against Fury. Who's to say he didn't consider Fury just another title defence?

    I used to consider Fury a future great myself. But now, I'm not even ranking him as Usyk's best win.
     
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  10. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    You’re an absolute moron. When I say Fury was considered the h2h HW goat, I’m talking about the public sentiment. Of course now that he lost twice to Usyk people have changed their opinions, however, we cannot discredit Usyk and ignore what was said prior to this fight. If Usyk never beat Joshua, Fury would have been a -500 to a -1000 favorite.

    You call me a pbc nut hugger but can’t even address my point. Did Canelo look like absolute dog **** in his last 5+ fights or not? When is the last time Canelo looked like elite?
     
  11. Young Terror

    Young Terror ★ Griselda ★ Full Member

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    The **** sucking OP is still butthurt from the ass whooping Bud gave to Spence. Nothing to see here.
     
  12. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Calm down you angry little autist
     
  13. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Shut the **** up you ******ed twat. I picked Usyk to beat Fury before their first fight, as my comprehension of his skills and the boxing overall is beyond the combined intellectual capacity of you and your fraud of a boyfirend Davis.

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/ward-on-fury-v-usyk.675441/page-2

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...against-fury-none.687002/page-2#post-21729718

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/usyk-vs-anthony-joshua.611271/page-2#post-19303355

    A simpleton with half a brain cell like you who's only pretending to support Usyk out of hatred towards another fighter ain't teaching me about how good he is. I knew how good he was even when iditots like you were posting garbage like this:

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/oleksandr-usyk-atg-ranking.720928/page-11#post-22877165

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/anthony-joshua-vs-zhilei-zhang.710393/page-2#post-22529070

    Go ahead moron, give us more of your brilliant insight.

    You're beyond a nut-hugger. Even the groupies of the old would have more dignity then you. You're just a simple minded turd who's madly in love with a promoter for some reason and made it his life mission to dick-ride the fighters he represents (including the ***** on your avatar who's one of the biggest frauds of boxing in the recent years) and hate on their rivals.

    And why would I need to adress your idiotic garbage when you're moronic enough to do that to yourself, specifically during those "last 5+ fights"?

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/crawford-p4p-number-1.736331/#post-23385495

    Not only are you the very definition of a spineless loser, you're also an immensely stupid moron to such an extent that It'd be a waste of time to get you to see reason. So I'll leave you with your idiotic alter ego above.
     
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  14. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yo you spent way too much time and effort to put this all together lmfao.
     
  15. Young Terror

    Young Terror ★ Griselda ★ Full Member

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    I'm calm fatboy as calm as Bud was when he wrecked Spence.

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    Never gets old. What a beatdown. Lmao...
     
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