Canelo or GGG, ¿who do you think will be remembered more fondly as the years go by?

Your whole argument is giving Golovkin unofficial wins that he didn't actually win in real time.

So I'm doing the same thing as you I'm giving Golovkin unofficial losses that I thought he lost.

You can't pick and choose what unofficial wins you want to give Golovkin and then totally disregard the other controversial decisions Golovkin got himself.

And even if I'd agree Golovkin deserved to edge the 1st fight with Canelo I still think he deserved to lose the trilogy overall.

 

Michalczewski was going life and death with Richard Hall twice who RJJ treated like a sparring partner.

The only reason the fight never took place is because neither man wanted to travel.

 

He turned pro at 24 yes but it still took him over a decade until he fought an upper echelon opponent.

 

The list of people that Golovkin was open to fighting is rather long, and history records that it was the "upper echelon opponents" that were averse to fighting him rather than the converse.

 

What are you talking about bro, the super belt was created back in 2000, why are you GGG fans just making **** up.

You can't lay down the lineal title unless you officially retire, Canelo was still the lineal champion when he fought GGG just like Tyson Fury was the lineal champion when he fought Wilder.

 

15 defenses of some belt vs the undisputed/lineal title like Monzon had, it's not even comparable. One's an ATG, the other isn't. The regular belt isn't a real belt. Davis isn't a real 3 division champion, Rolly Romero isn't a real 2 division champion. You think anyone ever considered Lucas Browne the heavyweight champion of the world or even a belt holder? The title he had was a joke, it's the same title GGG had those first 5 "defenses". Once the WBA super champion is created, the regular belt becomes secondary, like a trophy or interim belt to have mandatory status vs the real WBA champion.

 

Sturm fought scrubs in his title reign and what did GGG fought in his, a murderers row? One of his best wins in his title reign came against some guy named Sir Gay Dervychenko in which he arguably lost. You don't get extra points if the reg champ is better than the super champ, that's not how it works buddy.

 

You don't get points for people ducking you, that's not how boxing works. GGG ducked Lara his entire career and gave him his belt at 160 rather than fight him. Does Lara automatically get mythical points added to his resume due to this fact?

Also who are these upper echelon of opponents? Miguel Cotto, a shot one legged Sergio Martinez? He ducked the two best fighters north and south of him in Andre Ward and Erislandy Lara.

 

What are you, 12?

 

You don't get to say "he fought nobody" when in fact he was open to fighting everybody. I guess he should have held the other fighters at gunpoint and forced them into the ring?

Absurd. GGG fought the guy that beat Lara 3 times.

Yeah he was open to fighting both and they both conspicuously avoided him.

Mayweather >> Lara and Golovkin was open to cutting weight to face him. When GGG was open to face Ward at the 168 weight Andre had been demanding for years, Ward refused. So you don't know what you are talking about.

 

"Gennadiy Golovkin and Ryan Murata clash in Saitama, Japan for middleweight title unification on April 9, 2022. The boxing event will air on Dazn worldwide. (Check timings here.) This bout was earlier scheduled for December last year, but the COVID-19 situation in Japan forced postponing of this title unification bout. With this bout,

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. This is his 22nd defense of any middleweight world title."

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And if you add your part of the press results, it would increase from 4 total journalist in two fights that had Canelo winning to a whopping 5, 6 if you chose Canelo as winner in both. If you look on Boxrec, there is also a consensus of fans that give there opinion. All the majorities have Golovkin winning vs jacobs, both Canelo fights, and Derevyanchenko.

 

Your in the minority big time.

 

It sounds like you are pro- Golovkin avoidance. Canelo layed down his WBC title because he wasn't ready for the true middleweight Champ yet, and you give him a pass, Then Sergio can avoid his ass whooping and go life and death with Murray. Geale can unify by defeating the WBA super champ, then drop it like its a stick of dynamite and run for cover, because he wants no part of GGG. Canelo had to play his cards right, wait his 16 months before fighting GGG. He detached himself from the WBC because GGG was his mandatory. He aged GGG out, then still couldn't handle the job, so he needed help from corrupt judges. At least some shenanigans got him over that hump, which was GGG,then it was smooth sailing after that. Add in a little revisionism and presto the Golovkin problem is settled.

 

That was because Michalczewski was coming to the end of his prime. Roy didn't want to fight this dangerous guy in Germany, I get it. The guy that mopped the floor with unfied champ Virgil Hill and and ran over Montell Griffin was a serious threat to Roy. Roy wanted to stay on the HBO gravy train. By the time of the the Hall fight Roy likely would have done a number on him.D.M. was fading fast.