Wilder's Right Hand?

Look at Tyson’s last two fights (pre-Paul) … he landed shots and journeymen took them and traded with him.

He’s not an exception.

 

I think people are pretty generous with wilder, let’s be real here he would telegraph that shot and swing from another dimension, so it would be interesting to see how his power compares to other fighters of his generation if they were to throw as wildly as he did, but he was afforded the space to throw the shot not because he worked his openings but because he fought poor opposition that were afraid of his power, the moment he fought against a live opponent he was found out, he should have lost against Ortiz had the referee not called the doctor over to look at the cuts he didn’t have, he was there for the taking and the referee saved him.
Fury played with him for the 3 fights apart from the first when Fury was just coming back from playing the victim by putting loads of weight on so that everyone forgot about him taking performance enhancing drugs.

 

To be fair he was ancient by then. He still carried power at the back end of his proper career taking out journeymen.

 

There is Deontay, RJJ, Tommy Hearns power and there is Big George, Zhang power. Different animals with different shelf lives.

 

Close thread.

I was saying this a long, long time ago...

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/wilder-hits-about-as-hard-as-fury-nothing-more.560260/

 

Exactly.

I think it's a combination of three things...
1) He's not confident enough in his durability to overcommit like that anymore.
2) He's not confident enough to seize the opportunities/openings the way he used to.
3) His speed was important, and it's not what it was.

Put it all together, and fight guys who are either better than anyone you ever beat (Parker, Zhang) or won't give you much time and space to think (Chisora) and it's kinda unsurprising that the trick isn't quite there.

 

His power was way overrated. Just good at catching some bums. you can see he lacks weight behind punches and technique. Soon as he started fighting upper level opponents the knockouts stopped. Only casuals think he is in the conversation for biggest punchers ever.

 

The better fighters you fight. The more flaws that will be exposed. Even if there is a obvious physical decline in one.

Its why we need to be patient with prospects like Moses Itauma when they haven’t fought anyone really noteworthy.

 

Pretty sure wilder was injured in that stiverne fight. Pretty much jabbed his way to a points win. Fractured his right hand during the fight i think.

 

Mike was 37 and 38 when he was stopped by Kevin McBride and Danny Williams. He hit them and didn’t dent them.

Wilder is 40 and knocked out a similar journeyman in his last fight.

I think it’s fair to say they’re at comparable stages.

All I’m saying is Mike’s power didn’t hold up better than Wilder’s has. He clearly hurt Chisora, one of the most durable guys of recent memory, several times (even though the knockdowns weren’t of the straight straight hit-him-and-he-go-boom variety.

So I don’t think Mike’s technique helped him hold onto his power longer. I think they both have faced, Tyson perhaps a little sooner.

 

Fair enough you might be right I was pretty young when those fights were on. I remember Mike blasting out Cliff Etteine I think it was after he got the face tattoo.

 

That was his last stand. But he did hit Williams and McBride solidly and they didn’t crack.

I think Mike could still punch if he hit someone just right, even then. (Hell maybe even now, lol.) But his loss of speed/timing was the issue, as I think it is now with Wilder.

 

I don't think you can really dispute his durability after tonight. He ate a lot of flush overhands and bodyshots from Chisora, and Chisora made it an uncomfortable, rough fight. Getting KO'd by Fury or Zhang isn't something to be ashamed of, especially as the latter has game-ending power and the former is simply too skilled and able to exploit Wilders weaknesses.

I think you're right in that the speed going has made a notable difference, and he doesn't seem able to time them as well as he used to.

I was quite impressed that he was catching Chisora with some sneaky uppercuts and clearly came in with a gameplan that wasn't "land right hand" too.

 

Wait what? “Not buying it”…it’s already paid for, it happened, we seen it, you don’t have to guess.

 

Chisora was literally saved by the referee no less than 3 times? Like no hyperbole, he was legitimately knocked down at least 5 times and allowed to continue in this fight when he had no business. He was hurt nearly every time Wilder touched him. I’d say his power was still pretty damn solid.