Toney vs Jirov SCORECARD

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    when i watched Mosley-ODLH every round me and Lederman scored it opposites until the last 4 rounds which he both gave to Mosley the guys drunk or something


    i have this fight but have never watched it i will watch it tonight
     
  2. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    He wasnt just beat up he was schooled, and in my opinion that was pretty embarrassing for a ring legend like Holyfield. Yes he should have won against Valueav, but so should have the last ten guys hes fought.:yep
     
  3. The Kurgan

    The Kurgan Boxing Junkie banned

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    I also had Toney-Jirov 116-111. Jirov did well and had a good style against Toney, but that night James was something special.

    Holyfield was robbed against Valuev, but that's like saying a pickpocket who steals pennies off an old man has robbed him. Holyfield deserved a decision and some credit, but he certainly didn't look impressive doing it; nor is that surprising, considering Holyfield was old and fossilised by that point. He belonged in a museum, not a ring, but he still won a 10-2 decision on my card.
     
  4. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    The thing is he was robbed of something istoric not some crappy KO Nation fight.
     
  5. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    lederman always put premium on aggression..that why he had diaz over marquez
     
  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    I had Toney 3 rounds vs a past his prime Jirov.

    Regarding Toney's sytle, slick counters can't always be seen live depending on where you sit. However, they can be seen easily on tv. I think the judges at ring side are less likely to score a close round for Toney because sometimes they lack the view of what he is doing, and Toney wasn't a super active in some rounds.

    Perhaps that had something to do with Letterman's card. For the most part, Letterman picks the correct winner far more often than the 3 men paid to be judges.
     
  7. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Jirov did have a great boxing style to face Toney, though. If he was of Toney's class, he would've easily won. Slick counter punchers hate pressure fighters/volume punchers.
     
  8. diamondDave

    diamondDave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I always wanted to see a rematch in this fight. I thought the fight was a draw or slightly towards Jirov. I was very unimpressed with the way that Toney would languish on the ropes and eat body shots. However, James did finish the really strong and put Jirov on the canvas in the 12th. It would have been a fun rematch.
     
  9. lefthook31

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    James would never see under 200 again.
     
  10. godking

    godking Active Member Full Member

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    Toney 8 rounds to 4 could be 9 rounds rounds to 3

    At best giving Jirov every benefit of the doubt i still have Toney winning 7 rounds Jirov winning 5 rounds.

    There is no way or shape that you could have given that fight to Jirov.
     
  11. mrbassie

    mrbassie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lederman school of scoring, most missed punches wins. On that basis, Jirov was robbed.
     
  12. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    him and cosell would be brillaint commentaters together

    every punch thrown misses acording to Cosell and whoever misses most wins
     
  13. The Kurgan

    The Kurgan Boxing Junkie banned

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    :lol:

    Cosell must have said "That didn't connect; the crowd was fooled, don't you be fooled" or something like it in almost every fight.