Who is more skilled at their best ?... TONEY or HOPKINS ?

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  1. sitiyzal

    sitiyzal ................. Full Member

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    Horsehit. Don't pretend Toney never had to work his arse off for years like every other fighter. I love how Toney nuthuggers are starting to suggest he was never even dedicated. His greatest achievements were when he was fully committed in & in his best condition, so you can **** off with that excuse. When out of shape he struggles with B level fighters.

    Assuming he remained focused & not been devastated by the Jones loss, which is when the excuses began, what else would he have achieved? Another title run at 168? He would've never achieved anything at 175 as when in shape he still couldn't even beat Griffin, let alone a Jones or DM.

    Toney had more "natural" skill but it only took him so far, & he had one noticable weakness he never could fix. Overall Hopkins was more complete & clearly surpassed him.
     
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  2. sam1222

    sam1222 **** You. Full Member

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    Toney.
     
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  3. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Looks like Hopkins has the lead, some good strong arguments in there guys.
     
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  4. Big Harry

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    Toney never got bummed by a white boy on PPV.
     
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  5. TRUEBELIEVER 66

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    :lol: Dave Tiberi whipped Toney's ass...
     
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  6. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    Hopkins was more consistent and had all aspect of the boxing game covered. Toney had the skills, but was not disciplined enough to put it all together. Hopkins and ATG and HOF and Toney is a HOF. But Toney in my mind is not ATG.
     
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  7. DINAMITA

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    The Toney of the first McCallum fight vs the Hopkins of the Trinidad fight.

    Toney '91 vs Hopkins '01 at 160lbs.

    There is no hypothetical match conceivable that I would rather see more, and no hypothetical match conceivable that I have less of a clue about how it would go.

    I love them both dearly!
     
    DINAMITA, Aug 1, 2009
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  8. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    If you had the power, would you choose that fight over Whitaker-Duran... Ali-Marciano... Foreman-Liston or Robinson-Leonard ? :think
     
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  9. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    In that matchup I go with Hopkins. Toney is good but he usually exploits the weakness of a fighter like he did with Nunn in 1991 -Nunn was lying on the ropes and not having a proper gameplan. Hopkins in 2001 was too experienced for James in 1991, and then after that James would not have made weight. I think Hopkins is just too consistent and didn't have a big enough weakness for Toney to exploit. Bad style for James.
     
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  10. DINAMITA

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    Yes. That is my one fight I would make if I had the power to make one. I know they are not the two best fighters ever, but they are two of my all-time favourites and I just find the prospect eternally intriguing. Second choice Whitaker v Duran.
     
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  11. Back Hand Slap

    Back Hand Slap Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Its deffinately Hopkins for me
     
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  12. the prom queen

    the prom queen bitter and clinging Full Member

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    not to take anything away from lights out, but I gotta go with hopkins
     
    the prom queen, Aug 1, 2009
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  13. Nigel_Benn

    Nigel_Benn Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Very Very close i admire Hopkins dedication,Defence,The fact he is 43 and still beating the best in his division or giving them all they can handle,Toney more exciting to watch,Love the shoulder roll,better punch Variety i give the slight nod to Toney on skills but its very close.
     
    Nigel_Benn, Aug 1, 2009
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  14. TFFP

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    Hopkins would have easily and convincingly outpointed James Toney at any point in their respective careers.
     
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  15. mariancobretti

    mariancobretti Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hopkins is a product of Dedication,

    Toney is pure natural Talent.

    Toney
     
    mariancobretti, Aug 1, 2009
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