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Pacquiao vs Cotto: Cotto will win

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Jeff M said: ↑

I don't think you're seeing the difference between "running" and boxing.

Anyway, there's no chance of that happening. Both guys love to fight.

On the other hand, do you think they should just run into each others punches like idiots, a la Ricky Hatton?:think
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Running is what cotto did against margarito because he knew it was time to quit.

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dangerousity said: ↑

Jeff want a 1month avatar bet on this one?
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Nope!

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Rooney said: ↑

Running is what cotto did against margarito because he knew it was time to quit.
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:huh

I am glad he realized it was time for the fight to end too. You want to see him get concreted to death *******?:-(

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Jeff M said: ↑

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I am glad he realized it was time for the fight to end too. You want to see him get concreted to death *******?:-(
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Jeff M said: ↑

Nope!

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No, I just don't want a month off. Fight's tough to call. I'm not missing a month in prediction league either!

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Jeff M said: ↑

Well, this one has been much harder for me to make a prediction on than Pacman's last two bouts. I picked him way ahead of time to stop Oscar and Hatton.

Ironically, people seem more willing to pick him against Cotto, but it's much harder for me to see how he can win this one. If Pac proves me wrong, good for him. He's never had a more difficult fight.

I can't see him brawling with Cotto and winning, and
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. Initially I leaned towards the Pacman to win, but after rewatching fights of both, I have to go with Cotto.

I don't see power vs speed as the most important things. Lots of people say this is indeed power vs speed though.

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He might need a few rounds to time Pacquiao's in-and-out rhythm, but I think he will. He may not be a pure counter-puncher like JMM, but timing is key for him.

Pac will definitely get hit in this fight. Now, I am sure Roach has a great gameplan, but I think
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His warrior heart will start to get the better of him. If he is getting tagged by Cotto, I don't think he will be able to stick with their gameplan. Another problem is, I don't see Pac having the ability to adapt if he starts getting in trouble.

Tactically, I see one major thing. Pac throws the straight left, and drops his right hand while sort of leaning to the side. Counter-left hook is Cotto's best punch, and that, along with his jab come along with great timing.

Pac has great footwork, but if Cotto starts stalking, which at some point he will (unless Pac does the unthinkable and gets Miguel out early), Cotto is good at cutting off the ring and keeping his opponent cornered. Pac will probably be able to evade early, but it will get increasingly more difficult as the fight goes on.

Cotto's weaknesses: I don't see them showing themselves against Pac's style, as opposed to how they were blatantly obvious against Margarito. He doesn't have a problem with speed, his chin still seems intact as evidenced in the Clottey fight.

I don't know. Whoever wins, it should be great. Pac really seems up against it in this one though. I even hate to not pick him after I nailed his last two.

If he (Pacquiao) pulls it off, I think it's easily one of the best wins of the decade. I think he is really the underdog, not the favorite. It's very difficult to make a final pick but I gotta go with Cotto.

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I like your analysis. Cotto will win. Pacquiao will lose focus when he starts getting hit because he so constantly did so in both JMM fights. Roach had to remind him in every round not to let Marquez back him up, not to let Marquez take control of the fight. In the second one, he had no answer to Marquez's counters and at certain points in the fight, seemed really bothered by the punches and out of his rhythm.

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nice I think ure dead on point Jeff. I know Pac is the favorite coming into this fight but really, beating Clottey is a much bigger win than Hatton at this point. Cotto is very dangerous and like the JMM fight, Pac will have to be on his toes every second of every round.

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Cotto will get a moral victory? He got his azz kicked but he had heart!!:yep

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bachatu said: ↑

I like your analysis. Cotto will win. Pacquiao will lose focus when he starts getting hit because he so constantly did so in both JMM fights. Roach had to remind him in every round not to let Marquez back him up, not to let Marquez take control of the fight. In the second one, he had no answer to Marquez's counters and at certain points in the fight, seemed really bothered by the punches and out of his rhythm.
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Freddy didn't seem to have much of a gameplan for Manny against Marquez - the following three fights are misleading because those guys didn't have the ability to upset Manny's gameplan.

Manny was getting countered and backed up every second round or so - if Cotto backs him up at all, how do you think that'll end for the little Filipino?

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Cotto has never lost to a southpaw. He's never lost to a fighter with fast hands. He's never lost to a southpaw with fast hands. And he has fought them all.

Jeff is right about one thing. Pac is open to counter left hooks. In fact, Pac is regularly open to left hooks in general. If Cotto hits Pac with left hooks the way Oscar did in the early rounds, sorry folks, the show's over.

Miguell needs to let Pac play the agressor in the first few rounds. He needs to work off Pac's in and out movement. Pac comes in, time him with a good stiff jab, over hand right, close with a hook. Boxing 101, when done correctly, still beats a southpaw.

Anyway, with the fight this close I'm getting adrenaline rushes just talking about it.

Good luck Pacman,

But - - - -

WAR COTTO!!!

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Head says Pac
Heart says Cotto
I believe Cotto has to win by KO
and I think he will.

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Jeff M said: ↑

Well, this one has been much harder for me to make a prediction on than Pacman's last two bouts. I picked him way ahead of time to stop Oscar and Hatton.

Ironically, people seem more willing to pick him against Cotto, but it's much harder for me to see how he can win this one. If Pac proves me wrong, good for him. He's never had a more difficult fight.

I can't see him brawling with Cotto and winning, and I don't think he can outbox Cotto. Initially I leaned towards the Pacman to win, but after rewatching fights of both, I have to go with Cotto.

I don't see power vs speed as the most important things. Lots of people say this is indeed power vs speed though.

Most important for Cotto is his timing. He might need a few rounds to time Pacquiao's in-and-out rhythm, but I think he will. He may not be a pure counter-puncher like JMM, but timing is key for him.

Pac will definitely get hit in this fight. Now, I am sure Roach has a great gameplan, but I think Pac will lose focus of it once Cotto starts connecting.

His warrior heart will start to get the better of him. If he is getting tagged by Cotto, I don't think he will be able to stick with their gameplan. Another problem is, I don't see Pac having the ability to adapt if he starts getting in trouble.

Tactically, I see one major thing. Pac throws the straight left, and drops his right hand while sort of leaning to the side. Counter-left hook is Cotto's best punch, and that, along with his jab come along with great timing.

Pac has great footwork, but if Cotto starts stalking, which at some point he will (unless Pac does the unthinkable and gets Miguel out early), Cotto is good at cutting off the ring and keeping his opponent cornered. Pac will probably be able to evade early, but it will get increasingly more difficult as the fight goes on.

Cotto's weaknesses: I don't see them showing themselves against Pac's style, as opposed to how they were blatantly obvious against Margarito. He doesn't have a problem with speed, his chin still seems intact as evidenced in the Clottey fight.

I don't know. Whoever wins, it should be great. Pac really seems up against it in this one though. I even hate to not pick him after I nailed his last two.

If he (Pacquiao) pulls it off, I think it's easily one of the best wins of the decade. I think he is really the underdog, not the favorite. It's very difficult to make a final pick but I gotta go with Cotto.

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I'm a huge Pacman fan and will be rooting for him but also see it how you see it. Yeah, if Pacman wins this fight, it should be considered one of the best wins of this decade despite that fact that he's nearly a 3/1 favorite.

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bachatu said: ↑

This is the same thing I see. Ive said it before, even as a Cotto fan, because of his style, the welterweights to present him most problems would be big, stronger WWs. Miguel is a natural hunter, therefore, he has no problems hunting the smaller prey, as elusive or quick as they may be. The problem for Pac is that he's not that elusive, so he's gonna have to deal with Cotto's punches all night long.
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Agree, the only shot Pac has is a quick early KO but I just don't see Cotto letting that happen, he's WAY too smart for that tactic, unlike Hatton. I see this as a tactical fight and don't think we'll see a real brawl because Pac wouldn't last toe to toe with Cotto. Cotto's a natural 147lb. fighter and will prolly come in tonight at around 154. Just a bigger man scenario in this one. My money's on Cotto.........sorry Pacman.

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Jeff M said: ↑

Well, this one has been much harder for me to make a prediction on than Pacman's last two bouts. I picked him way ahead of time to stop Oscar and Hatton.

Ironically, people seem more willing to pick him against Cotto, but it's much harder for me to see how he can win this one. If Pac proves me wrong, good for him. He's never had a more difficult fight.

I can't see him brawling with Cotto and winning, and I don't think he can outbox Cotto. Initially I leaned towards the Pacman to win, but after rewatching fights of both, I have to go with Cotto.

I don't see power vs speed as the most important things. Lots of people say this is indeed power vs speed though.

Most important for Cotto is his timing. He might need a few rounds to time Pacquiao's in-and-out rhythm, but I think he will. He may not be a pure counter-puncher like JMM, but timing is key for him.

Pac will definitely get hit in this fight. Now, I am sure Roach has a great gameplan, but I think Pac will lose focus of it once Cotto starts connecting.

His warrior heart will start to get the better of him. If he is getting tagged by Cotto, I don't think he will be able to stick with their gameplan. Another problem is, I don't see Pac having the ability to adapt if he starts getting in trouble.

Tactically, I see one major thing. Pac throws the straight left, and drops his right hand while sort of leaning to the side. Counter-left hook is Cotto's best punch, and that, along with his jab come along with great timing.

Pac has great footwork, but if Cotto starts stalking, which at some point he will (unless Pac does the unthinkable and gets Miguel out early), Cotto is good at cutting off the ring and keeping his opponent cornered. Pac will probably be able to evade early, but it will get increasingly more difficult as the fight goes on.

Cotto's weaknesses: I don't see them showing themselves against Pac's style, as opposed to how they were blatantly obvious against Margarito. He doesn't have a problem with speed, his chin still seems intact as evidenced in the Clottey fight.

I don't know. Whoever wins, it should be great. Pac really seems up against it in this one though. I even hate to not pick him after I nailed his last two.

If he (Pacquiao) pulls it off, I think it's easily one of the best wins of the decade. I think he is really the underdog, not the favorite. It's very difficult to make a final pick but I gotta go with Cotto.

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Thanks for your thoughts bro!

Now im defiantly putting a bet on Pac!

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