Marciano's Training - Can Anybody Provide True Insight

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  1. Rubber Warrior

    Rubber Warrior Resident ESB Soothsayer Full Member

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    I've read and heard - countless times, that Rocky Marciano would train three solid months for each title defense, but recall reading somewhere he put in four to six months a couple of times.

    Did Rocky blow-up between bouts? That would seem unlikely given his dedication to roadwork even when nothing was scheduled? Did his weight go up and by how much?

    Was it true he ate only once per day in training?

    Three months of conditioning seems excessive given my feeling Rocky arrived at camp at about 85-90% conditioned. Would not overtraining be the result given the rumors and stories - or did we see him garner those amazing results as champ in an overtarined state - and if so how good could he have really been with six or seven weeks of camp before each defense?

    Keeping in mind of course that he was an amazing specimen.....and a phyiscal freak.
     
  2. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    While my first inclination is to defer to those who actually knew him, like John Garfield, I'll hazard a few comments.

    It's been years since I've read it, but if you obtain a copy of Everett Skehan's biography, either borrowed through an inter library loan or purchased through a used book source like Amazon.com, you'll have a decent starting reference point for learning how he actually conditioned himself, and how he generated endless motivation for how his poorly conditioned body failed him from his first amateur bout, a humiliation before his own loyal following.

    He apparently did an insane amount of walking, enough to have been a pedestrian celebrity in the late nineteenth century. He apparently was celibate as a monk, so much so that he had to deny that saltpeter was in his diet.

    Over training is an allegation that I've only read applied to the rematch with LaStarza. Roland pissed him off with the comment that he took so many shots he was bound to eventually get punchy. Rocky had seen plenty of punch drunk former boxers, and may have applied himself even more than usual in training to defend his title this time. There was some debate over whether Marciano was over trained, or deliberately punishing LaStarza for his comment.

    Not sure if duration of training is being confused with preparation time. It may be that he altered his diet and lifestyle three to four months in advance, and undertook more rigorous physical conditioning later, but again, I'd be more comfortable deferring to a first hand oracle like John Garfield.

    Antuofermo was the best conditioned middleweight in the world during his championship run, actually gassing Hagler a bit during their draw. Even when Vito was not training for a match, he ran at least five miles a day. Sometimes, maybe all that's necessary to get ahead is to simply stay in shape at all times, and not let oneself go between bouts.
     
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  3. Rooster4Life

    Rooster4Life Easts Till I Die Full Member

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    His training schedule was tough, but Rocky actually added to it. Charlie Goldman said Rocky was the only fighter he ever trained that he had to force to take breaks. If Rocky did a routine on the heavy bag, say 300 punches, and Goldman called stop, Rocky might say, "Let me do a couple hundred more, Charlie."

    He got up very early and ran at least 5 miles every day, even when not in training. He ran in the snow and in the rain. He ran on Christmas day. He upped it to 7 miles, then 10 miles, then 15 miles as a fight drew near.
    He'd eat breakfast after his run.
    In the morning at camp he did gym work; speed bag, heavy bag, medicine ball, sit-ups, push-ups, etc. He did this for several hours. The press was usually allowed in to watch this and visitors, too.
    He'd have a light lunch, and maybe a guest or two would be invited to join him, especially sports writers.
    In the afternoon he'd do ring work, like sparring. I think a nap was fit in somewhere, too. Usually the camp was closed by supper time. Rocky liked to take long walks after supper, and from accounts, even those were turned into training. Lou Duva related going on walk with Rocky and how Marciano was constantly stooping to pick up rocks to throw. It wasn't a distraction or out of boredom, but more conditioning Rocky wanted, the stooping good for the mid-section, throwing the rocks good for the arms and shoulders.
    There are films of Rocky training on Youtube. Just put in a search for "Rocky Marciano training".

    Rocky's brother told about waking up at night when they were kids and finding Rocky standing in the dark room lifting the chair repeatedly over his head. He was a fanatic about exercise and condition.
     
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  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Peter Wilson the British boxing writer visited him in training for a few fights he said even in Rocky's bed room he had a small rubber ball on elastic hanging above his pillow ,and whilst laying down he would hit it.
    The guy lived like a monk.
     
  5. Beau Geste

    Beau Geste Active Member Full Member

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    Great post. Thanks.

    I wish more fighters trained like this today, instead of the new "scientific" methods.

    I am sick of seeing fighters, especially heavyweights, gas after 3 or 4 rounds or have low workrates over the course of a fight.
     
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  6. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Rocky was obsesses (quite literally) with NOT losing and if anything, this is reflected in his inhumane training. He is truely the one man you DON'T want to be fighting, because every minute, every second of the day that you're relaxing or enjoying a steak, you know that somewhere, he is throwing punches and pushing himself to the limit to batter you until you give in. What a man.
     
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  7. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I saw Marciano training for a fight at Grossingers NY in 1950 or 1951..I sat 3 ft away from the ring, watching young Rocky box with three sparring partners,at full throttle,and Marciano's blows on his sparmates arms,hurt me...Sitting a few feet away from Rocky, he resemled a powerful and TIRELESS sledge hammer... Not an ounce of excess fat on him,watching him train ....A tough tough opponent for anyone, regardless of not being a BIG modern heavyweight....
     
  8. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Great story Burt. You've got plenty of them.
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    One of the greatest nappers ever. True intensity in his shut-eye.

    His mastication was intense, every bite with brutal purpose.

    The way he would check the mail would make a normal man succumb in the first stride.
     
  10. Rubber Warrior

    Rubber Warrior Resident ESB Soothsayer Full Member

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    Thanks to all of you for responses. :good
     
  11. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The only criticism ive ever heard was, like riddick bowe rocky really usta strap on the feedbag excessively. This was the only thing Goldman had to stay on him about.
     
  12. Stuart_boxer

    Stuart_boxer Member Full Member

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    Funny but true
     
  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  14. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wow, Rubber Warrior. There's a blast from the past.