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How many contenders YOU fight in your time? :roll:[/quo
5. have you figured out who i am yet? Cooney fought zippo. he was the pampered ***** who had it easy and given to him and that is how he liked it. He did fight aadmirably against Holmes, but before and after, a pureD ring coward. A disgrace to the sport.:deadI will never forget at the Moore-Duran fight in the garden, when they were bringing in all the champs ( Pedroza, Laguna, Curry, Mancini, Hagler, Bill Gallo) and then anounced Cooney. Peopple filled the Garden with boos. Say his name to this day in a knowledgeable boxing crowd or a bunch of ex-fighters who fought hard to get to the top, and you will hear nothing but scorn for the man. Jim Croce had a great song,"The Hard Way Every Time>" Cooney's would have been the easy way every time. If you were truly there during the time , then you know he was considered a frightened disgrace, by the end.
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Dude, you're frothing. Go clean up your spittle.
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Dude, you're frothing. Go clean up your spittle.
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Sorry, I may be crazy myself, but the Loony Cooney express train goes on forever. He gets more credit for what he would have done if... than what he did than anyone I've seen Almost all fighters accept the risks of fighting their way to the top and chancing agaonst hard contenders. Cooney wouldn't, and thus, should be condemned for avoiding the hard road. No diff from fighting than from in a reg. job, where some suckass gets the prom. but does none of the work. Anyone should be able to understand that.ukke
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Sorry, I may be crazy myself, but the Loony Cooney express train goes on forever. He gets more credit for what he would have done if... than what he did than anyone I've seen Almost all fighters accept the risks of fighting their way to the top and chancing agaonst hard contenders. Cooney wouldn't, and thus, should be condemned for avoiding the hard road. No diff from fighting than from in a reg. job, where some suckass gets the prom. but does none of the work. Anyone should be able to understand that.ukke
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I hope you realize that Cooney didn't make the decisions about whom he was fighting. That's a fighter's braintrust's job. Same with Patterson not fighting Liston. Was Patterson a coward for not fighting Liston for so long?

How do you know that Cooney didn't want to prove himself? Were you alongside him, or inside his head?

Cooney, as we know, had doubts about his worth as a fighter, and was probably not meant for the game long-term anyway. For him to suck it up and take part (courageously, I might add) in the biggest mega-fight of the generation against Holmes is not the work of a coward. It's far more than most here could stomach without peeing their pants.

I guess my stance remains the same; when you can live in the pressure-cooker he did and respond with the heroics you claim he lacked, then sing it from the mountaintop. As it is, the world's got too goddamn many armchair warriors.
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salsanchezfan said: ↑

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I hope you realize that Cooney didn't make the decisions about whom he was fighting. That's a fighter's braintrust's job. Same with Patterson not fighting Liston. Was Patterson a coward for not fighting Liston for so long?

How do you know that Cooney didn't want to prove himself? Were you alongside him, or inside his head?

Cooney, as we know, had doubts about his worth as a fighter, and was probably not meant for the game long-term anyway. For him to suck it up and take part (courageously, I might add) in the biggest mega-fight of the generation against Holmes is not the work of a coward. It's far more than most here could stomach without peeing their pants.

I guess my stance remains the same; when you can live in the pressure-cooker he did and respond with the heroics you claim he lacked, then sing it from the mountaintop. As it is, the world's got too goddamn many armchair warriors.
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Agreed,

While the man's name has been exploded beyond reasonable proportions over the past 30 years, calling him a coward is taking things drastically in the opposite direction. There are few who weigh his resume and head to head abilities within balanced permaters. I for one do not think that he was the mega great white hope who never fullfilled his potential, the way that some see him as, and nor am I someone who feels that he would have just crumbled against any opponent with a heart beat. My guess is that his abilities fall somewhere in between.
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Cooney was no coward, but he was coddled by his management...

I say Vic Valle got Cooney ready for Holmes in 1982 the best he could do under the circumstances surrounding the Cooney camp... For being green in 1982, Cooney performed very well for 10 rds...

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salsanchezfan said: ↑

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I hope you realize that Cooney didn't make the decisions about whom he was fighting. That's a fighter's braintrust's job. Same with Patterson not fighting Liston. Was Patterson a coward for not fighting Liston for so long?

How do you know that Cooney didn't want to prove himself? Were you alongside him, or inside his head?

Cooney, as we know, had doubts about his worth as a fighter, and was probably not meant for the game long-term anyway. For him to suck it up and take part (courageously, I might add) in the biggest mega-fight of the generation against Holmes is not the work of a coward. It's far more than most here could stomach without peeing their pants.

I guess my stance remains the same; when you can live in the pressure-cooker he did and respond with the heroics you claim he lacked, then sing it from the mountaintop. As it is, the world's got too goddamn many armchair warriors.
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Any fighter can insist to fight contenders. Cooney stayed away, fought two used up guys then didn't fight period. Saw what he thought was an easy rd to the top thru small mike Spinks, got hit back and collapsed. He had a cockiness about him when you read the intervi. in the mags at the time and was no shrinking violet. He wanted no part of contenders and or hard punchers and thought he was the ****. He hid behind his whiteness and took whatever free givens came his way. the GUY WAS A COWARDLY BUM WHO WOULD CROSS THE STREET IF A CONTENDER WASD ON THE SAME SIDE AS HIM. No revisionist history will EVER change the facts of his career.issCOONEY
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The Morlocks said: ↑

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Any fighter can insist to fight contenders. Cooney stayed away, fought two used up guys then didn't fight period. Saw what he thought was an easy rd to the top thru small mike Spinks, got hit back and collapsed. He had a cockiness about him when you read the intervi. in the mags at the time and was no shrinking violet. He wanted no part of contenders and or hard punchers and thought he was the ****. He hid behind his whiteness and took whatever free givens came his way. the GUY WAS A COWARDLY BUM WHO WOULD CROSS THE STREET IF A CONTENDER WASD ON THE SAME SIDE AS HIM. No revisionist history will EVER change the facts of his career.issCOONEY
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I'd say someone here has a case of the "Mondays."
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I think someone didn't get enough naps when they were little.

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Trained with Gerry when I was younger. He was class, till his work ethic started to fade. Everybody sure got excited for the Holmes go around, though. I was a pup, and Ger was never the same afterwards.

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Trained with Gerry when I was younger. He was class, till his work ethic started to fade. Everybody sure got excited for the Holmes go around, though. I was a pup, and Ger was never the same afterwards.
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Did the 1982 'Holmes' 10 million dollar payday effect him and his outlook?:huh

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I think someone didn't get enough naps when they were little.
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The hell?:huh

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Folks,

I love to review Larry Holmes versus Gerry Cooney from 1982. This Superbout brings back High School memories for me.. Deep down, I knew Holmes was the better man, but I was astonished by all the "White" power rooting and betting on Gerry Cooney... LOOK! Never mind the issue of Cooney's INACTVITY and constant injuries; come June 11, 1982, Gerry Cooney did indeed challenge and perform against Larry Holmes like the true / solid # 1 heavyweight contender in the world... This fight lived up to the billing and hype... Both men fought great fights... However, in the end, Larry Holmes prevailed with a 13th round KO victory..... A GREAT night of boxing........ Cheers......

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It is the first totally wrong post by you that I remember I (ever) saw .
Both fought their usual **** fight with Holmes prevailing by a poor stoppage against another **** fighter. Cooney did not even know the obvious way of fighting a bigger man's fight , he was so dumb. And Holmes was such a lousy finisher , maybe because of his poor punching ability. Watching A Holmes/Spinks/Cooney/Norton fight is a masochistic matter , even worse than watching Ali/Byrd/Jimmy Young or Dominick Guinn fight.

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It is the first totally wrong post by you that I remember I (ever) saw .
Both fought their usual **** fight with Holmes prevailing by a poor stoppage against another **** fighter. Cooney did not even know the obvious way of fighting a bigger man's fight , he was so dumb. And Holmes was such a lousy finisher , maybe because of his poor punching ability. Watching A Holmes/Spinks/Cooney/Norton fight is a masochistic matter , even worse than watching Ali/Byrd/Jimmy Young or Dominick Guinn fight.
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WOW! Way out there, dude........ I thought they (Larry & Gerry) fought a great fight in '82 and both rised to a level neither had been before----more so Cooney then Holmes... Larry was way more proven in good, hard fights with "Shavers, Norton, Weaver & Snipes," but Gerry C. fought well for 10 rds in 1982 before fading and losing his grip on his fight with Larry Holmes...

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This is from the May 4th 1981 issue of Sports Illustrated

Cooney wanted Cus D'Amato, who had taken Floyd Patterson to the heavyweight title, but D'Amato wanted to both train and manage the fighter, for the twins an unacceptable condition. They had to be the managers. D'Amato was one of several boxing men who recommended Puerto Rican-born Victor Valle as Cooney's trainer.
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Would have been interesting to see how Cooney developed under Cus D'Amato instead of Victor Valle. I think he would have been a more well rounded fighter. Not saying Valle was not good he was very competent but I think Cooney would have been better off with someone else. The talent was there it just was not managed and molded correctly. I also would have liked to seen Cooney fight Weaver in 1982 which was certainly a more winnable fight for him then take on Holmes in 1983. Cooney simply was just not ready for Holmes in 1982. He needed more experience.

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This is from the May 4th 1981 issue of Sports Illustrated

Would have been interesting to see how Cooney developed under Cus D'Amato instead of Victor Valle. I think he would have been a more well rounded fighter. Not saying Valle was not good he was very competent but I think Cooney would have been better off with someone else. The talent was there it just was not managed and molded correctly. I also would have liked to seen Cooney fight Weaver in 1982 which was certainly a more winnable fight for him then take on Holmes in 1983. Cooney simply was just not ready for Holmes in 1982. He needed more experience.
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"The Whacko Twins" were only interested in money; not developing skills... They were over confident in Cooney's hook.... BIG MISTAKE!

I too would've loved to have seen Cooney go after Weaver first for the WBA title.... Cooney prolly would've parked Weaver in '82..

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