Trinidad - Clearly 160 was not his natural weight. Pascal - no question marks at all De la Hoya - blown up Pavlik - blown up Tarver - good win Johnson - johnson weight drained Wright - blown up + past it its between Trinidad, pascal and tarver for me. id rank them Pascal Tarver Trinidad
Pavlik was "blown up", even though he drained himself ridiculously to make 160, and within a couple of fights had admitted he couldn't do it anymore?
Exactly Hopkins best wins resume is very weak, a major issue I have is lots of people discount losses, they credit people for losing, just for getting in the ring with a good boxer, in ATG stakes there is losing and there is losing but in general terms a boxer should not be given too much credit for getting beaten . Hopkins record at the top end is poor, no agenda, its poor, there are not many ATG wins on his record. The above stats are damning.
So now the Hopkins-Pavlik fight wasn't an almighty 2lbs north of smw, the weight that Pavlik has now admitted is his natural? :huh
his other fight at that weight was a poor poor showing against alfonso lopez. his best wins are at middleweight those are the facts.
correct, there are 8 times hopkins got into the ring where he wasn't good enough to come out as the victor. 8 ****ing times
The difference between those couple of fights is huge, especially when he developed a drinking problem after the Hopkins fight. He would always make 160lbs pre-Hopkins without too many issues. There's no way you can say that Pavlik was close to his best weight on that night.
I know 8 ****ing times , you couldnt make it up, Calzaghe beats Hopkins on his own ground, Calzaghe wins 46 out of 46 and some people mainly Yanks think Hopkins is great and Calzaghe isnt .
Is "now" his natural weight, yes, but he fought Hopkins three years ago. If you want to see how much difference three years can make, in the same space of time, Pacquiao went from fighting Barrera to Clottey. Besides, Pavlik is still clearly struggling at a weight where he can't impose himself. A Lopez calibre opponent doing as well as he did against prime, 160lb Pavlik is impossible to imagine.