Arguello vs. Pacquiao @135lbs

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  1. DirtMcGirt

    DirtMcGirt Member Full Member

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    Who takes it?

    I picked 135 because I feel Pac is a improved an all round fighter since his 130 days.
     
  2. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Pacquiao's all-around speed and left handed attack might trouble Arguello early, perhaps dropping him once or twice; but perhaps Arguello could figure him out halfway through, and then come on down the stretch to take back the fight.
     
  3. DirtMcGirt

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    I really see this as a bad style match up for Arguello. IF and its a big IF Pacquiao sticks to a gameplan.

    Arguellos main weakness is that he's slow of foot. So Obviously Pac Is gonna be prepared to fight with in and out movement and circle out away from the right hand.

    But I can see Pac trading at times he's the type of fighter that when he gets hit he will fire back, Arguello is a very precise puncher so he will stun pacquiao in these exchanges.

    He's also one of the best finishers i've seen, when Arguello stuns an opponent he usually finishes them.

    I cant see Pac flooring Arguello maybe stunning him a couple of times early on whilst Arguello gets Adjusted to Pac.

    But Overall I think It Would be Pac Ud 7-5 8-4 type score in a really great fight.
     
  4. Thinman

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    Pac has problems against boxers with good right hands and Arguello had one of the best right hands in boxing history....... another thing in favour of Arguello is the fact that he defeated all the southpaw boxers he fought, he knew how to fight boxers with that stance.

    If Arguello's right hand works, then Pac will not be able to trow as many punches as he does at the present.... his ouput would decrease.

    JMM was able to counter Pac and use his right hand with success and therfore I think Arguello would have success too, and therefore I think he would have KOed Pac. JMM couldn't do the job because he doesn't have the punch that Arguello had and also his chin did not take Pac's punches well, but Arguello had an excellent chin.

    Arguello would trade against Pac right in the centre of the ring if necessary, but I don't think Pac would stay in the pocket too long.... Arguello was a great body puncher and I think he will hit hard Pac's ribs. Arguello KO many boxers with body punches.

    This fight reminds me of the fight between Arguello vs Ganigan.
     
  5. DirtMcGirt

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    I cant see Arguello playing the counter puncher in this fight. I can see Arguello leading in this fight with pac circling and moving in and out with quick combos.

    I dont think Arguello was particulary comfortable with southpaws the Ramirez fight was pretty debatable and another fight im not sure if it was limon or Leon seemed to give him abit of trouble.
     
  6. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pac might trouble Arguello with speed, but down the stretch the tide will turn, as Arguello's punching accuracy begins to take over and eventually wear Manny down. Thus, Arguello by late TKO.
     
  7. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lets face it, Manny's last three fights have been walks in the park...They have been that easy because of combination of him just being that damn good and the level of his opposition.

    I most definitely see the more skilled and defensively able Pac giving Arguello some trouble early...but it really remains to be seen how Manny would handle one of the greatest last 1/3 fighters ever..Arguello would be bringing the ruckus late, I have a hard time seeing even a fighter as tough and fit as Manny holding up to that.
     
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    Yea I can definately see it from that point of view aswel . I think thats wat makes it a fascinating match up. It would definately make for an atg fight. Manny Leading early Arguello coming on strong down the stretch breaking him down.

    hmm i'm starting to get second thoughts lol
     
  9. Flea Man

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    Pac wins the first four or five rounds as long as he sticks and moves........best weapon against a southpaw is right hand, Arguellon throws it down the pipe late on and stops Pac.

    Arguello is a bigger, better, harder-hitting version of Marquez, I see no way Pac wins this. Although Alexis' handspeed deficiency means Pac does well early on, he is not the pure boxer Arguello struggled with. He gets involved and that is perfect for a man with the timing of Arguello.
     
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    I've enjoyed hearing the responses in this thread. TBH its a match up thats been on my mind the last few weeks. Its good to hear it from different angles.
     
  11. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The way I look at this is, Pacquiao brings some of the assets that Ganigan and Ramirez used to trouble Arguello, while Arguello brings some of the assets that Marquez used to trouble Pac.

    The question then is, which matters more? :think
     
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    My2Sense, good point; I think Arguello hits too hard for Pac. Marquez rocked him in their 2nd fight, Arguello would put him away.
     
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    Also, are we talking 12 or 15 rounds?
     
  14. DirtMcGirt

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    12 rounds. We've never seen Pac over 15. Plus its safe to say a 15 rounder wont be favouring him. It makes for a better debate over 12.
     
  15. DirtMcGirt

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    I suppose it takes away from arguello because he did his best work in the championspip rounds. But judging by the post he would be heavily favoured over 15.