Heavyweight King

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  1. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Yep. I forgot about that. :good
     
  2. Cmoyle

    Cmoyle Active Member Full Member

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    Q49 - Thanks for the detailed reply concerning the Lowry-Marciano fight.
     
  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    C'mon man, let it rip! You know you want to. If you get lucky you may get an opportunity to give Tucker a go as well. :cool:;):tong
     
  4. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ok. Point taken. But should Ali have rematched Foreman?
     
  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    To be honest with you I think that Louis's losses to Charles and Marciano compare to Ali's losses to Holmes and Spinks.
     
  6. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Liston was not in the top ten when the Rock retire, Liston would be about 4 years after the Rock retire.

    Also Rocky would be hitting 37 if Rocky fought Sonny in 59 about.

    I would not add Liston to the list of fighters Rocky duck or in a era sense. Liston was the Patterson era.
     
  7. kmcc505

    kmcc505 Sweet Scientist Full Member

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    Joe Louis is the greatest heavyweight ever.
     
  8. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    The point is that if he'd beaten them, his overal resume would've been better.
     
  9. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Not really. Louis was a dangerous # 1 heavyweight contender easily beating 8 men who were either in the Ring Magazine rankings/or near it. Only Charles, Marciano, Walcott and possibly Henry were capable of defeating Louis in 1950-1951.

    I could easily name 10 heavyweights 1979-1981 in the world that would have beaten Muhammad Ali. Muhammad was no longer capapble of defeating top 10 opponents like Louis was.
     
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    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Should he have rematched Liston?
     
  11. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To me Ali was much more dominant in the fight with Foreman then what is generally accepted. People act like Ali did throw only one punch after taking everything Foreman did throw at him. But to me Ali did land the better punches that did hurt Foreman already before the knock down.
     
  12. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    He was pretty much dominant vs Liston also. Should he have rematched him? And in your orignal post you said he 'rematched' everyone, who did you mean? He was obviously going to rematch Frazier, Norton and spinks- they'd all beaten him. Who else? Bugner, Patterson, Chuvalo- who were you referring to?
     
  13. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Frazier, Norton, Spinks. Who else. Those other guys were not worth it.
     
  14. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Hey, that was good of him, allowing Spinks a rematch. What a guy.
     
  15. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All I wanted to say is Ali did get the better of anyone he has fought. And he did fight a lot of good guys. A lot of legends also.

    AND he was never knocked out.