****Kirks Championships 2017 ****

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  1. Oneirokritis

    Oneirokritis The Scourge of Stupid Idiots. Full Member

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    I'm thinking Hammer UD or Hammer SD too. He is sturdy and has a good chin -- and I have a funny feeling once Hammer bulls in on Price, working at close range, mauling and working the body, Price will panic and wilt under the pressure.
     
  2. David B

    David B Nazi Russia lies. This is the only truth. Full Member

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    Green TKO
     
  3. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Which is sadder? Juanma-Vazquez or Green-Mundine II?:eusa_doh:
     
  4. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh!

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    Neither... Well matched fights between faded names.
     
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    Green won a MD over Mundine!:aaaaa:
     
  6. lepinthehood

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    How the hell did Vasquez lose. Collazo shot to hell an ex alcoholic
     
  7. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    The scores between judges comes down to one simple thing, where they see the fight from. The judges don't get to watch the fight they are scoring on a monitor, they are required to watch it from mat level through ropes from their side of the ring. The ref can obstruct one judges view during a important exchange, the fight might take place on one side of the ring with the fighters backs facing one judge for the majority of a match etc. If judges were allowed to watch the fight like we get to with a monitor in HD, and always having the best angle, that would probably go a long way from the drastically different scores between the judges. As far as how they score, preference is always going to be a factor. If fighter (A.) is very active landing solid but not spectacular shots, while fighter (B.) isn't near as active, connecting about half as many times or less, but is loading up so his shots are more spectacular, then I'm going with the more active fighter landing twice as many shots that are solid. Unless fighter (B.) is visibly hurting/rocking fighter (A.) when he connects. Many people always score for the harder puncher, even if they aren't throwing or landing near as much. That's where preference comes into scoring even when they have a criteria to follow, the heavier puncher isn't winning a round from me if he only lands 7 punches to the other man's 15 unless in landing those 7 he has the other guy reeling around the ring, or dropping him with them. It would be otherwise impossible for a lighter punching fighter to ever win a fight against a fighter that can hit harder.

    It's like that Karl vs Ramirez fight last night. I had Karl ahead by 1 point going into the final round, based on his activity and for the most part pressing the action. The same fight @drenlou had Ramirez up 7-2 at the time of stoppage, he saw what Ramirez was doing through the first half of the fight in Ramirez's favor. I thought he wasn't active enough to justify giving him more than 1 of the first 5 rounds.

    Preference...I don't see any way of getting past it.
     
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  8. lepinthehood

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    Mopar picked green Md good job
     
  9. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    The Price vs Hammer fight will be the difference maker, it looks close to 50-50 pick wise.
     
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  10. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who do you have?
     
  11. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    As of this moment Price, but...Well this might be one I flipflop on...
     
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  12. Oneirokritis

    Oneirokritis The Scourge of Stupid Idiots. Full Member

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    I'm thinking of going Hammer SD or Hammer mid-rounds TKO, although that isn't my official pick as of yet.
     
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    Hammer isn't bad at all. Wach hit him with a once in a life time combo. He stood up to furys schooling for 9rounds, he's pretty tough. Price is just really not that good but that right hand.
     
  14. KiwiMan

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    Honestly I don't see the point of going for a Hammer split decision, Price will get the nod if it's vaguely close IMHO.
     
  15. rorschach51

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    Anyone know when the Verdejo undercard will go live on TopRankTV?