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PowerPuncher · Oct 26, 2008

I'd take allot of the (he wore weights in his pockets, as BS for the most part). But Dempsey, Danny Williams have all supposedly done the same and Roy Jones weighed in with clothes

klompton · Oct 26, 2008

Gatti and DLH didnt make weight for the Coley/Gamache card. I saw video footage at the old website HouseofBoxing.com of the weigh in when it happened and DLH especially didnt. He stepped on the scale and Coley starts shouting "he didnt make it, he didnt makie it" and he was quickly hushed up and sent away. Gatti literally stepped on the scale and stepped off before the bar had settled. Another one nobody ever talks about (and most dont know) is Mayweather/Corrales. Corrales was overweight but Mayweather wanted to go ahead with the fight as a title fight because of the payday so he accepted money from the Corrales camp to go on.

PowerPuncher · Oct 26, 2008

klompton said:

Gatti and DLH didnt make weight for the Coley/Gamache card. I saw video footage at the old website HouseofBoxing.com of the weigh in when it happened and DLH especially didnt. He stepped on the scale and Coley starts shouting "he didnt make it, he didnt makie it" and he was quickly hushed up and sent away. Gatti literally stepped on the scale and stepped off before the bar had settled. Another one nobody ever talks about (and most dont know) is Mayweather/Corrales. Corrales was overweight but Mayweather wanted to go ahead with the fight as a title fight because of the payday so he accepted money from the Corrales camp to go on.
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Never heard that 1

TommyV · Oct 26, 2008

Hide did it many times I believe, not just the Bowe fight.

The guy was never a heavyweight.

Russell · May 28, 2009

Anyone else have any other incidents of this? And how they managed to pull it off.

HomicideHenry · May 28, 2009

Billy Conn. Despite him trying like hell to make HW for Louis, the man weighed more around 168, than what the scales stated.

Russell · May 28, 2009

HomicideHenry said: ↑

Billy Conn. Despite him trying like hell to make HW for Louis, the man weighed more around 168, than what the scales stated.
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HomicideHenry · May 28, 2009

Yeah. The scales said he weighed 174 [ironic he still got the title fight considering HW back then was 175 and up], but Conn years later revealed that he weighed 168-169 for Louis the first time they fought, and he still worked like **** to get that high in weight.

Thread Stealer · May 28, 2009

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jb22900.htm

Bruno on Boxing

By Joe Bruno- Former Vice President of the New York Boxing Writers and the International Boxing Writers

It sure didn't look like Arturo Gatti needed much help in his second round destruction of Joey Gamache Saturday night at Madison Square Garden, but the mysterious things that happened at the weigh-in on Friday afternoon need to be examined before somebody gets hurt real bad.

Since John L. Sullivan ruled the roust in the gay 1890's, weigh-ins always took place on the day of the fight. But the procedure recently changed in many states to having the weigh-in the day before the fight, so that a fighter weakened and dehydrated from making the weight, would have more than a full day to get his strength back. Sounds good on the face of it, but these rules allowed Gatti to go from 141 at the Friday afternoon weigh-in to a whopping 160 when he entered the ring 28 hours later. That is, if he made the 141 contacted weight to begin with, which Gamache's agent/representative Johnny Bos is absolutely certain did not happen.

"I took Joey to the commission offices on Friday afternoon to get his license to box in the state," Bos said. "While we were there, I had Joey get on the commission scale, and he weighed 140 1/4, so I felt we were in good shape for the real weigh-in at the Garden at 4pm."

But when Bos and Gamache arrived at the Garden early a strange thing happened. "Joey got on the scale there and he was now 137 1/2. I knew something was wrong with the scale."

So Bos did some screaming, and after some hemming and hawing by commissioner Tony Russo, the bad (tampered with?) scale was replaced with a legit scale. But according to Bos, the shenanigans didn't stop there.

Gamache made 140 1/4, then he stepped down and Gatti got on the scale.

"When Gatti got on the scale, which was set at 141, the arrow shot up and hit the metal, meaning Gatti was over 141," Bos said. "But Russo immediately yelled out '141.' Gatti jumped off the scale and drank down a glass of water. I yelled at Russo but he told me to mind my own business and to stop stirring things up." Even Gamache's trainer Jimmy Glenn, who is one of the most mild-mannered men in the seamy sport of boxing started screaming at Russo, but to no avail.

It just so happened that the same scale, and the same ubiquitous Tony Russo had done the exact same thing at the Oscar De la Hoya/Darrell Coley weigh-in just minutes before. Just as Bos and Glenn were protesting Russo's call, Coley and his manager Leonard Langley started yelling "See, it happened again." Apparently, De la Hoya was over the contracted weight of 147, but Russo's eyes saw 147 and his mouth yelled 147, and the law is the law, especially in the police state of New York City.

During the fights the next night, it was obvious that both De la Hoya and Gatti had huge weight advantages over their opponents. Gamache had gone up to 144 by fight time, but Gatti now weighted a booming 160 pounds, giving him a 16 pound weight and strength advantage. Even De la Hoya, who was now 156 pounds, was a full four pounds lighter then the now- middleweight Gatti.

The fight itself was a total steamroller job. Gatti hurt Gamache with almo st every punch, knocking Gamache down twice in the first round, before landing an explosive right-left at the 41 second mark of round two. Gamache went down hard, the back his head banking down hard on the canvas, creating a severe whiplash effect. The referee Benje Estaves stopped the fight without counting, and the ring doctors immediately rushed into the ring to attend to the badly hurt fighter. Gamache lay there for almost ten minutes, before he was able to walk off on his own power. The ring doctors had wanted a stretcher brought in to carry out Gamache, but Gamache told them, "Please let me walk out on my own." He immediately went to St. Vincent's Hospital for a Cat Scan, and is still there as of this writing.

Bos said late Sunday night, "Joey's still dizzy and nauseous. I don't want to be a crybaby, but Gatti's 16 pound weight advantage made him too big and strong for Joey. We contracted for Joey to fight a junior welterweight, and he wound up fighting a middleweight instead."

Now both De La Hoya and Gatti are Top Rank and HBO fighters. They were the house fighters that night, and because of the huge investments HBO and Top Rank have in them, both were expected to win in impressive fashion. De La Hoya and Gatti are devastating punchers at any weight, and they certainly don't need some blind (crooked?) mouse at commission weigh-ins to give them an unfair advantage over their poor opponents.

Joey Gamache said before the fight he would retire if he lost to Gatti. Here's hoping that Gamache can enjoy his retirement without walking around on his heels, throwing punches at thin air after hearing imaginary bells.

"He's okay now, " Bos said about Gamache. "But these kind of things don't show up for ten, maybe twenty years down the road."

The powers-that-be in boxing should change the rules back to the way it was before "men of good conscience" decided to play God. Have the fighters again weigh-in on the day of the fight, not the day before. The next time we have King Kong fighting Mighty Mouse, the little guy just might get crushed, and wind up in worse condition than Joey Gamache did Saturday night at Madison Square Garden. Then you'll really see the cockroaches crawling in and out of the woodwork, that was once the respectable New York State Athletic Commission
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janitor · May 29, 2009

HomicideHenry said: ↑

Yeah. The scales said he weighed 174 [ironic he still got the title fight considering HW back then was 175 and up], but Conn years later revealed that he weighed 168-169 for Louis the first time they fought, and he still worked like **** to get that high in weight.
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Louis's weight was also misreported.

He was actualy over 200.

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