1969 Smokin Joe Frazier

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  1. perko

    perko Well-Known Member Full Member

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    how good was smokin joe , fought one eyed most of his career against legendary fighters. imagine the thiller in manilla rds 11-14 with frazier having 2 good eyes , different ending i think.
     
  2. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    For a long time,I've rated Joe as my number 5 heavyweight of all time. 1969-71 was peak Frazier,imo.
     
  3. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali would still have won that fight. Fair play to Frazier's performance though.
     
  4. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    The man was exceptional .. the definition of a warrior ... hard to fathom that he fought the way he did against such terrific fighters blind in one eye ... one of my all time favorites ..
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I personally don't believe he could have been outpointed at his peak - he had to be knocked out to be beaten.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    Joe Frazier in his prime .... Dempsey, Louis, Foreman, Liston, maybe Ali, maybe Lennox Lewis, maybe Marciano, ...... might beat him.
    Not many.
     
  7. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Interesting point.

    I was thinking of doing a thread about fighters who couldn't be out pointed at their best and had to be knocked out but the only two fighters I could come up that fit this bill were Frazier and a prime Jeff Fenech.

    So for fear of a flop thread due to lack of suitable fighters I didn't go with it. Still it speaks volumes about the qualities of Frazier and Fenech that no other fighters readily spring to mind.
     
  8. Goyourownway

    Goyourownway Insanity enthusiast Full Member

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    Don't forget Mike Tyson and his broken back - legendary stuff right there.:patsch
     
  9. Stevie G

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    And Haye moans about a little TOE.......! :huh :fire
     
  10. Goyourownway

    Goyourownway Insanity enthusiast Full Member

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    It's believed that Frazier was a virtual cripple by his mid 20's.Don't forget(doesn't get mentioned enough) how he kept getting up against Foreman,either - nobody has ever gotten up from a few knockdowns,afterall.
     
  11. clark

    clark Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That '73 Frazier against Foreman was not a motivated '69 Frazier at all.
    Joe was into his music and, without a doubt, completely underestimated
    George as a fighter, as well as, George's power. The '76 Frazier had been through all the wars by then and was not even close to being in his best shape. He was over 224 pounds for that one.
     
  12. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    whats your beef with Frazier then, Gayyourowngay?

    I've never come across a Frazier-hater before, i dont understand it. He's one of the few fighters percieved and rated, for exactly what he is/was/did, imo
     
  13. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    You do know that was for the Ettienne-fight, right?

    It wasn't an excuse, Tyson was just repeating what the doctor told him...

    "...he said, believe it or not, your broke is broken, slightly..." :lol:
     
  14. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol:Yeah, a few people have been doing that lately when discussing bad excuses. They're knowledgable to know damn well that Tyson actually won that fight KO round 1. They'd just rather pull it out of context and mention it, rather than mention Duran needing a poo, or having cramp, or not training etc..
     
  15. Son of Gaul

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    Hell No, No,Yes, Maybe,Maybe, Yes, F%!# No