pavlik beats calzaghe, heres why

Pimp C · Jan 10, 2008

unclepaulie said:

kelly pavlik beats joe calzaghe 8 and maybe 9 times out of 10. guaranteed. people will try and hate on kelly for going down in rd 2 vs. taylor, but he took bombs from miranda and kept on going. yes calzaghe has sick ass punch output, but look what happened with a boxer-puncher like kessler; when kessler was effective with the straight right off the jab he had calzaghes number. when he was dicking around dancing and **** he didnt. kessler throws maybe 55 in a busy round; when kessler was busy calzaghe lost rounds. kelly pavlik throws about 85 on a slow round, and he throws much straighter--and quite possibly harder shots-than kessler. huggers will disagree, but if you look at it you know its true. pavlik wears (yes it can happen, with a high out put of straight, hard shots, which btw is why i think paul williams has floyds #, but different thread)calzaghe out by about 10 or 11 (slappy does have a nice chin) and puts it away with a right hand lead followed by one of his sick uppercuts that seem to be able to finish anyone. discussion is wwelcome, but i like to think i brought up fairly intelligent points, so lets skip the '**** you yank, you know bollocks'; tell me why im wrong.

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You're out of your ****ing mind. Calzaghe would give Pavlik the boxing lesson of a lifetime and win by wide UD. The only thing Kelly has on Calzaghe is power and that won't be enough to beat an ATG at 168 like Joe.:deal

TFFP · Jan 10, 2008

Tyson86 said:

Calzaghe and Kessler are both mediocre. I'd take Pavlik over either in a heartbeat.
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What does Pavlik do better than Joe Calzaghe, other than hit harder?

Don't make me laugh too much, I've got sore ribs - took a nasty body shot yesterday :-(

Relentless · Jan 10, 2008

joe calzaghe is the superior white athlete

jc · Jan 10, 2008

Tyson86 said:

Calzaghe and Kessler are both mediocre. I'd take Pavlik over either in a heartbeat.
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Noob.

haglerbeatsugar · Jan 10, 2008

I'm from Cleveland & as much as I truly am proud of and love Pavlik for the exciting fighter that he is, I believe he will get his ass-whupped by Calzaghe and lose by either a TKO or KO. Pavlik gets hit with wayyy to many clean shots, is a bleeder and any great boxer with finishing skills would have KO'd him when Taylor had him stumbling all over the ring & Calzaghe knows how to finish a fighter off. Pavlik will be around for a long time winning, losing belts & winning them again. He will create future fights of the year because of his style but he IS NOT READY FOR CALZAGHE. Hopefully his body & eye's will hold up so that we can see him at super-middle 5 yrs from now, but not now.

Mindspring · Jan 10, 2008

raw873 said:

I think that a Calzaghe-Pavlik fight would be a great one. Both men have an incredible workrate, one is a much slicker boxer and one has brute force. A couple of reasons why I think it will be much more of a fight than just a Calzaghe boxing showcase. One and probably the biggest is that at a higher weight, Pavlik will get his legs back and not be such a stationary target. Watch a couple of his early fights and his fights at higher weights, he is moving more and his power is definitely increased as well. Regardless of what people say about his chin, he can take a punch. The one time he was hurt against Taylor was beacuse of an equilibrium shot, similar to spinning around in a circle a bunch and then walking, he was fully aware of everything the whole time but couldn't get his legs under him, and when he did, he started fighting back winning the end of the round and dominating the following. THe other times he got knocked down, one was a slip, stepped on by a southpaw, and te other was just an off balance shot that didn't even phase him. The other thing that helps him is getting back to fighting quick boxers like Taylor not straight ahead power guys like Miranda. Once he adapted to Taylors style and got accustomed to his speed, he started to control the fight, so don't say Pavlik can't adapt in the ring either.

As for Calzaghe, you don't stay a champ for 10 years if you aren't special. While he isn't always exciting, he always finds a way to win. He is a slick boxer and his hand speed and craftiness are superior to almost everyone in boxing. I enjoyed watching his display against Kessler. Kessler did have some success though but Calzaghe adaption to his style made him be able to take over the fight and easily outpoint Kessler. I'll admit that I haven't gotten to see that many of Calzaghe's fights but the man is remarkable. I think he easily beat Hopkins purely on punch output.

Fight outcome - While I would like to see Pavlik fight a couple more slick boxers before getting in the ring with JC, there really aren't many more out at middleweight worth his time right now. Pavlik defintely wants to defend his middleweight titles though and isn't looking to move up in weight yet. However, the big factor is money, and it would be a huge payday for both men. I don't see a bigger fight for Calzaghe to go out on and one he will definitely be favored in and deservedly so. I can see the fight being won by either men. I think if it goes the distance, Calzaghe in England will win by a close decision, and maybe even controversial. Pavliks best chance is to win is by knockout but even a close loss doesn't hurt his stock at all. It will be one of the best fights because both fighters are determined to keep their undefeated record and I wouldn't be surprised to see both men get off the canvas. Pavliks workrate, heart and power against JC's workrate, style, and speed. What an incredible fight this could be.
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Thanks!:good

sthomas · Jan 10, 2008

I see Joe taking a decision in a very competitive fight. I would not be too surprised for a Pavlik win though. Pavliks detractors can't get the facts that Pavlik is a very good fighter, faster than he looks, and not just a stong guy. After that brutal round #2 KD vs. Taylor, Pavlik got focused, defended himself much better and solved Taylor. Calz. did the same thing with Kessler. If this fight comes off, it's going to need to be soon though as Joe's on the downhill slide of his career.

cardstars · Jan 10, 2008

Tyson86 said:

Calzaghe and Kessler are both mediocre. I'd take Pavlik over either in a heartbeat.
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OBVIOUSLY you either haven't watched their fights or you just plain old don't know shite :bbb

maseb · Jan 10, 2008

The fight won't even be close......Calzaghe will annihilate the bum!!!!

drvooh · Jan 10, 2008

unclepaulie said:

explain why...

say what you will about whether im wrong or right, but i tried to back myself up with facts (or at least informed opinions). do the same homie.
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Pavlik's a tough one, but Joe's too quickatsch

rodney · Jan 10, 2008

Hers how Kelly beats him.
He throws lots of punches --- as many, if not more than Calzaghe.
He hits harder.
He is in tremdous shape --- will not get tired.
He is younger and hungrier.
So --- he beats Calaghe.
Right hand to the chin.
If that dont work --- more right hands to the chin.
Everyone chin has its threshold.
End of Calzaghe.

brooklyn1550 · Jan 10, 2008

I disagree, but I respect the points you made

Calzaghe wins a wide UD or mid/late TKO on accumulation

stuistylee · Jan 10, 2008

i think boxers should stick 2 making themselves a legacy in 1 division...its what i like 2 c anyway...

Symphenyceo · Jan 10, 2008

everyone pavlik has fought so far has stood right in front of him..joe will give him movement and angles he has never seen...joe wide UD

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