John Ruiz is Back!!!!

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  1. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    A cheater, you mean like James Toney and Quitali Quitschko?

    One of whom cheated to beat Ruiz, the other whom ducked him?
     
  2. Hawks28

    Hawks28 Active Member Full Member

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    ****, I thought we'd gotten rid of him for good.
     
  3. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wait a minute. Be perfectly still.........

    (cups hand to ear)

    Hear that? Yeah, I do too. That is complete silence, as it its quiet.

    That must mean The Quiet Man is coming BACK! And he's revitalized with a new trainer and a new aggressive come-forward style.

    Go, Ruiz.!!!!!

    I look forward to the McCline Ruiz fight. I am interested in seeing how Ruiz does, as well as how McCLine does. Interesting fight, in my opinion.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    God damn it.


    War McCline! :fire
     
  5. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    hahaha :rofl:rofl:rofl :good:good:good:happy
     
  6. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wonder if The Quiet Man will get his Extremely Loud Pen back out again and write a few more whiny letters.
     
  7. Rick G

    Rick G Casual Fan Full Member

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    Good news for me. His last 2 bouts vs. Valuev and Chagaev were top-class performances. Really entertaining, no excessive holding. Ruiz came in 100% fit, showed a lot of heart & chin, and survived 12 rds against very strong opposition.
    In addition no loudmouth behaviour, no drugs, no whining after the lost fights.

    To all the Ruiz bashers: You are sooo cool ... :tired
     
  8. michael 901

    michael 901 His ass is tired Full Member

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    :happy :lol:
     
  9. Feiti

    Feiti Active Member Full Member

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    OK Ruiz´s resume first:

    Ruiz went 1-1-1 with an old Holyfield, most felt Holy won the last fight

    Ruiz wins by DQ against Kirk Johnson by faking low blows, Ruiz ahead on official cards but behind on Lederman card

    Ruiz is humiliated by Roy Jones

    Ruiz beats an out of shape Rahman in a hugfest

    Ruiz gets a perhaps early stoppage in a hugfest vs Oquendo

    Ruiz gets beaten by Golota and KD twice, but gets a gift

    Ruiz is humiliated by Toney on roids

    Ruiz loses a controversial decision to Valuev

    Ruiz loses clearly to Chagaev

    Ruiz beats some journeyman by quick KO

    Now Vitali:

    Vitali loses by TKO because of a shoulder injury to Byrd after leading on cards

    Vitali decisions Timo Hoffman

    Vitali KOs mediocre opponents Orlin Norris, Ross Puritty and Vaghaun Bean

    Vitali becomes first to KO Larry Donald, who would later on do better against Valuev than Ruiz did

    Vitali has a close and brutal fight with Lewis and loses due to cuts. It is a totally fair stoppage. Vitali wins 4 rounds of the 6 it lasted.

    Vitali blasts out Kirk Johnson.

    Vitali KOs Corrie Sanders, who is coming of a WBO title win over now #1 headyweight Wladimir.

    Vitali KOs slightly out of shape and inconsistent Danny Williams, who is coming of a win over a rather shot, but still very dangerous Tyson.
     
  10. Feiti

    Feiti Active Member Full Member

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    Summary:

    Ruiz: 12 fights - 6 wins - 4 losses - 2 KO wins - 0 KO losses - 1 Draw - 1 NC
    Fights with current hw. champions 1 - 1
    Fights with former/future hw. champions 2 - 4 - 1
    Fights with other weight division former champions 0-1 with 1 NC

    Vitali: 10 fights - 8 wins - 2 losses - 7 KO wins - 2 KO losses
    Fights with current hw. champions 0 - 1
    Fights with former/future hw. champions 1-2
    Fights with other weight division former champions 1-0
     
  11. Feiti

    Feiti Active Member Full Member

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    So basically Ruiz fights tougher opponents on average - but has a totally mediocre record against them. He loses at least as often as he wins against good opponents. Ruiz´s wins are hardly ever impressive or very decisive. Ruiz gets OWNED by two former middleweights - thought one was on roids of course. The DQ win he got was questionable. The win against Golata even more so. Ruiz should maybe have won vs Valuev, but most felt Donald did better vs Valuev than Ruiz.

    On the other hand:

    Vitali never gets OWNED. Vitali wins by KO in most of his fights. None of his wins were questionable. Vitali fought the top heavy at the time, which Ruiz never did.
     
  12. Max Molyneux

    Max Molyneux Liverpool Liver Tickler Full Member

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    Ruiz Is like Freddy Krugar, he returns!

    Zakman, what are your thoughts on Ruiz's fight against Valuev? In that fight he used good headmovment to get In close and rip him with combinations, stepping In and out.

    All Valuev did was hold and jab and got the gift decision strangely.
     
  13. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Very well put - although you neglected to mention that Ruiz held excessively in every fight against rated opposition outside of Valuev and Chagaev, and of course, he lost those fights. :lod

    Pretty solid evidence that, without cheating, this fraud couldn't compete above the New England regional level - and wouldn't have if it weren't for King!
     
  14. VIP

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    The 2nd coming of Joe Louis returns!! :happy :happy :cool:
     
  15. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Hardly - it was a close, competitive fight which I thought Valuev won. While Ruiz didn't look as pathetic as he usually does, he still lost.

    Big surprise, since King was through pulling the strings for him. And isn't it interesting that Ruiz hasn't "won" a fight against a decent fighter since??? Good be a connection there, himm??:huh:lol: