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Here's Why The Resume Of P4P No. 1 Lomachenko Trounces Bud Crawford's By A Country Mile.

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I have Loma @ #1 & GGG #2

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ellerbe said: ↑

I've done the same thing and went through Loma's resume and tore it apart. It's not hard to do. So no, I'm not taking any "note" for future discussion.
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Its easy to 'take apart' resumes in hindsight. Linares for example, had been knocked out three times by questionable opposition. His best win was either a close decision against Anthony 'Lost Twice to Gary Skyes' Crolla, or a split decision win against Luke 'Mendys son' Campbell. Hardly impressive.

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uppercut_to_the_body said: ↑

Its easy to 'take apart' resumes in hindsight. Linares for example, had been knocked out three times by questionable opposition. His best win was either a close decision against Anthony 'Lost Twice to Gary Skyes' Crolla, or a split decision win against Luke 'Mendys son' Campbell. Hardly impressive.
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To be fair to Linares he did dominate Crolla EASILY the second fight. But against Campbell, Campbell completely adapted ot him in the second half and won most of those rounds after getting KD early. Campbell is a pretty good fighter imo. His record just ****s him over.

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uppercut_to_the_body said: ↑

Its easy to 'take apart' resumes in hindsight. Linares for example, had been knocked out three times by questionable opposition. His best win was either a close decision against Anthony 'Lost Twice to Gary Skyes' Crolla, or a split decision win against Luke 'Mendys son' Campbell. Hardly impressive.
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In terms of resume Linares's best wins might be (depending on your criteria) two weight champ Oscar Larios who beat the likes of Wayne McCullough, Israel Vasquez, Takahiro Ao & Cesar Soto (who has a stoppage win over JLC!) He [Larios] also lost a competitive fight to pac in 06 too..

& Gamaliel Diaz who beat Robert Guerrero & Takahiro Ao etc

Both of whom went onto win a world title post Linares..

The Campbell win will get better over time too I suspect..

Decent fighters.

Not a great resume but a respectful one nonetheless.

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Absolutely outstanding work @CST80 and @Serge

There is literally no comeback to this. Well done boys!

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ellerbe said: ↑

I've done the same thing and went through Loma's resume and tore it apart. It's not hard to do. So no, I'm not taking any "note" for future discussion.
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You quite literally can't tear Loma's resume apart as you put it because what he's done in 12 fights simply hasn't been done before. Hard to not like a dude who only fights the best.

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ellerbe said: ↑

I've done the same thing and went through Loma's resume and tore it apart. It's not hard to do. So no, I'm not taking any "note" for future discussion.
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You should.

Both @CST80 and @Serge have given actual facts and numbers, it wasn't a "tearing down" at all.

But if you want to add your take on Loma's resume we are all ears.

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Liquorice said: ↑

I have Loma @ #1 & GGG #2

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Well-argued case, but I feel I need more detail before siding...

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yesihavearm2 said: ↑

You quite literally can't tear Loma's resume apart as you put it because what he's done in 12 fights simply hasn't been done before. Hard to not like a dude who only fights the best.
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12 + 400 fights

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DoubleJab666 said: ↑

I need more detail before siding...
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And @Serge goes hold my beer...

Great post guys, very thorough and covers assesment of quality of opposition as well as cold hard facts & stastistics.

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uppercut_to_the_body said: ↑

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So now amateur fights count?

Golovkin > pretty much any MW then.

How many people turn pro, even after long amateur careers, and jump straight in to 12-rounders against top competition, pick up 3 titles in 3 weight divisions and make 4 guys quit in a row, all within 12 fights?

Also, it’s not just about what he’s done. It’s about how.
Lomachenko > Crawford and I’m not taking anything away from Bud, Vasyl is just on another level. Might take him 12 more fights to prove that to doubters, provided he keeps up the pace, but it’s obvious.

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uppercut_to_the_body said: ↑

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Do you take every fighters amateur bouts into consideration?

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Chonlatarn Piriyapinyo - Thai journeyman, stay busy match, nothing to see here and certainly nothing special, but still managed to beat him with literally one hand tied behind his back, since Loma injured his halfway through.

Gamalier Rodriguez - Not a great win either, his best win was Siri KO victim, Orlando Cruz, it was yet another time wasting stay busy fight for Loma. Nothing special again.

Romulo Koasicha - Third nothing special in a row, even I was starting to get frustrated with Top Rank at this point. For what its worth, Loma beat him in a far more dominant fashion than Brit featherfisted wunderkind Lee Selby.

Rocky Martinez - Here's where business started to pick up again. It wasn't shocking that he beat Rocky, who was coming off of two back to back wars with Salido, the first he managed to drop and badly hurt Siri twice and win. Rocky has a damn impressive resume, holding wins over Bud victim Burns, the undefeated and touted Diego Magdaleno, and the very solid Juan Carlos Burgos and Miguel Beltran Jr. Even in his losing effort to Mikey Garcia, he gave Mikey some real issues, dropping him hard in the second, in a similar manner to the Linares KD of Loma. Well Loma topped Mikey in two ways that night, Loma was not dropped by Rocky, in fact he was barely touched, and he violently and I mean violently KO'd Rocky in 5 rounds, it took Mikey 8.

Nicholas Walters - Sure he has KO wins over blown up Bantamweights in Vic Darchinyan and Nonito Donaire, not impressive right? Wrong. Frampton just went through hell late against a rampaging Donaire who hurt him several times throughout their fight, and Vic went life and death with Cuellar hurting him on several occasions before Cuellar stopped him. Still to this day The Axe Man is the only man to have stopped Donaire, a feat even Rigo The Great couldn't pull off. Walters went on to beat Marriaga, handing him his first 0, far more impressively than Oscar Valdez, who arguably lost to Miguel, and after that went on to basically shutout Jason Sosa coming off of a vicious KO victory over Jerry Belmontes, and somehow inexplicably only managed a draw. The Axe Man was viewed by many as an elite P4P talent or damn close to it, and he was well on his way to being just that, until he got caught in The Matrix, got lost along the way and hasn't found his way out since. Wherever he's at, he's probably still blubbering.

Jason Sosa - Sure he has an early KO loss to a far bigger man on his record, Tre'Sean Wiggins, who's currently campaigning at Welterweight, but since then he been rampaging his way through Super Featherweight like an overachieving monster. After violently KOing in 1, the guy that took Figueroa to the brink Jerry Belmontes, he got his introduction to the big league in a trial by fire against Walters, and wasn't burned, in a match that while he lost most of the rounds, he did enough to keep almost all of them competitive, crowding and smotherng his way through the match giving Walters absolute hell. After that he went on to be the first and only man to KO brutally Javier Fortuna, who since then has come back to hand a loss to undefeated PBC talent Omar Douglas and in many observers eyes hand Robert Easter Jr. his first loss as well, hurting Easter several times in the process, but of course Fortuna didn't get the win. Fortuna is a very underrated win for Sosa. Sosa also racked up an impressive win over Stephen Smith who'd been on a roll stopping skilled Italian operator Devis Boschiero. By all rights Sosa should have a win over Yuriorkis Gamboa, in a match Lederman had in his favor. I count that as a win for him regardless. Sosa is a damn fine little fighter, and Loma's dominant TKO win over him is vastly underrated.

Miguel Marriaga - Marriaga stopped Christopher Martin and GRJ did not, he KO'd Guy Robb far easier than Joel Diaz Jr, and put on a fight of the year caliber performance against Oscar Valdez and IMO should have taken his 0. Think about that, Loma stopped the guy who beat Valdez, how great would that sound? But of course it was a Top Rank show, and the judges weren't as fair as they should have been. Not a brilliant win for Loma, but a damn damn solid stay busy fight. Marriaga is also one of his heaviest handed opponents, who Loma chose to go to war with to put on a show, something his other opponents weren't brave enough to attempt.

Guillermo Rigondeaux - Do I really have to talk up Rigo and his greatness? He only was a mainstay on P4P lists for 5 years after his masterclass schooling of Donaire. So I'm going to focus on the size issue instead. Now much has been made of the size differential between Rigo and Loma, it wasn't a factor in the least, because when someone is skilled enough, like with Mayweather, Pacquiao, Ward, Jones Jr., Hopkins and Leonard moving up, skills still pay the bills, and its not like Loma had a massive power edge. Rigo's power may have been lessened by the move up in weight, but you never know, it may have increased, it happens. But who knows, he never landed a damn thing. Regardless, Rigo with less power still probably equaled Loma's overall power. So its possible no one had the edge there. As far as weight goes, I doubt Rigo walked around a svelte trim 122 24/7 365 days a year, most likely he walks around in the ballpark of 135. As far as the height advantage of Loma, its not all that great, Rigo has faced giants that could conceivably be fighting at 154 like Amagasa and Flores, both of them the same height as Postol, who fights at 140. Rigo dealt with them with relative ease. Age wasn't necessarily a factor either, after all Jazza, Chucky and Hisashi aren't what I'd call old codgers, they're all kind of spring chickens. Like those two old coots Mayweather and Wlad, the skills in the end matter more than any perceived height, age or weight disparity. Now once you take into consideration Bud's best win being a blown up midget Featherweight, and directly following his match against Rigo, Loma moved up to face a far bigger man in Linares, and recently Inoue destroys a guy he started 3 divisions beneath. Does size really matter here? No, it doesn't. This is a P4P caliber win to end all P4P caliber wins, he literally embarrassed a P4P Top 10 fighter into quitting. What is more P4P worthy than that?

Jorge Linares - For anyone who mocks Linares for his losses to DeMarco and Thompson, I hate you. You're not a true fan of the sport and you're a repellent human being. Linares fought his heart out with his nose nearly falling off, he boxed beautifully winning almost every round against DeMarco until the loss of blood from the profusely bleeding cut on the bridge of his nose and over his eyes got so great, he was literally wearing a crimson mask, and still no quit in Jorge, finally the ref mercifully stepped in, in the end, that loss in my eyes was more impressive than many fighters wins. It was amazing the amount of heart he showed, and how well he dealt with pressure and adversity while under immense fire. He came back far too soon, his eye got cut early again, Thompson smelling blood jumped on him, the doc stopped it far too early, but for Jorge's eyelid, it was probably for the best. Since then like a phoenix rising from the ashes, for real this time, he's gone on a brilliant winning streak, with wins over Nihito Arakawa, the at the time revitalized Kevin Mitchell, then on to 2 back to back dominant wins over Anthony Crolla, who went on to beat yes... Ricky Burns, his underrated win over Luke Campbell who holds impressive dominant wins over Derry Mathews, Argenis Mendez and Darlys Perez, and most recently Mercito Gesta. The skillset of Linares is immaculate, and his handspeed and timing are things of beauty, there's a reason why so many purists were salivating over the idea of Linares vs. Mikey. He's one of the most talented fighters in the sport today. And Loma was the smaller man moving up in weight, and for some reason pulled off a feat Rigo didn't have the heart to accomplish, oh yeah... because Loma tore it out of his chest and ate it.

The reality is, all I had to do is this.

Loma: Linares, Rigondeaux, Walters Russell Jr, Marriaga, Sosa, Salido

Crawford: Diaz, Postol, Gamboa, Beltran, Burns, Lundy, Indongo.

Come on? Who the **** are we kidding here?

Now All Hail The King, The King Of Kings!!!

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There were a few embellishments, half truths etc in this, but I don't disagree in general. I've stated for a long time now that Crawford's resume is not very good. In terms of quality, it is fairly average.

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