the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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I hadn't seen this fight since the month before Mayweather-McGregor, so I figured why not rewatch this (and the first). I'll be the first to say that my boxing knowledge has grown exponentially since the first time I saw it.

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9 : 10
9 : 10
9 : 10
10 : 9* (37/39)
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9* (77/75)
9 : 10*
9 : 10
9 : 10
10 : 9 (

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Welp, my opinion of Lewis has gone down. A lot.

I'm glad Lewis won, as I ended up giving holy more swing rounds and Lewis was robbed big time in the first. But I think 1-0-1 for Lewis was the right result for this series. Damn, I can't believe how poor my recollection of this fight was. I forgot how exciting it was, and how close. For those swing rounds, the scoring was pretty difficult. I found it hard to split between the guy who was did more damage but had momentary success, or the guy who took more damage but won the majority of the round. I tried to be fair, so I just gave them to whomever I felt landed the cleanest punches throughout the round. Should you be as lenient as possible, and give Holyfield all three swing rounds; I can see a slight win. But if you give Lewis the benefit of the doubt where I didn't, then he wins. And like I said, him getting this razor thin decision was just justice for the first fight.

Holyfield did some excellent technical work in this one. He always did. He took Lewis' jab away with his cross-counter and nailed his timing with his left hook follow-through. He also showed he had the beautiful foot-work to move side-to-side before darting in. His workrate seemed to really tire Lewis before his second win. Lewis worked a good jab early and late, always showed a good uppercut and was clearly the stronger guy with an awesome ring IQ. I don't think this version of Lewis beats the early 90s Holyfield.

@JohnThomas1, didn't we talk about this a few weeks ago? I wondered if you'd be interested in this card.

 

My eyes hurt!!!!

 

George, this is how I had it and what I wrote when I scored it a few months back. I had rounds 5 & 8 even, so I'm not going to say there is a disagreement, as it was more of a swing round basis. The only round we actually disagreed on was the 4th. That's not too bad really, but in the end, a 3 point disparity on our cards.

Lennox Lewis v Evander Holyfield II

Funny how I never bothered to watch this one before. Much better performance from Holyfield than that sleep-walking performance in the first fight. I was actually rooting for Vander from a fight that took place years ago, which is how much I got into it.

Round 1: 10-9 Lewis
Round 2: 10-9 Lewis
Round 3: 10-9 Lewis
Round 4: 10-9 Lewis
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Holyfield
Round 7: 10-9 Holyfield
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Lewis
Round 10: 10-9 Lewis
Round 11: 10-9 Lewis
Round 12: 10-9 Holyfield

Total: 117-113 Lewis

 

I saw it stated on another site somewhere that the two Greg Page v George Chaplin fights were robberies. Don't quite remember that being the case back in the day but allowing for the fact that it is about 40 years ago I thought I would have a look see. Page v Chaplin I

Round 1: 10-9 Page
Round 2: 10-10 Even (shortened round - at around 2:30 the timekeeper rang the bell)
Round 3: 10-9 Page
Round 4: 10-9 Page
Round 5: 10-9 Page
Round 6: 10-9 Chaplin
Round 7: 10-9 Page
Round 8: 10-9 Page
Round 9: 10-9 Chaplin
Round 10: 10-9 Chaplin

Total: 97-94 Page (actual scores: 99-96 and 99-94 both for Page and a 97-97 Even card for a majority win for Page)

These two were heaving behemoths by the last 2 rounds and swinging from the fences, but they gave it their all. The problem with Chaplin was he had a brilliant defense, but ya gotta throw punches. By the time he got around to that the fight was gone. I did not see a robbery here, but I will look for their 12 rounder and see if its out there to check it out.

 

I had Lewis winning but it was close and an underwhelming performance from him.

This was supposed to be one of the two fights to 'save' boxing at the end of the 90s (the other being Trinidad-De La Hoya - yeah, I know) but this fight and Lewis's defeat to Rahman made me go off Lewis.

I had all the sympathy in the world for him while he was being ducked by Bowe and Tyson and when he had the misfortune of facing Henry Akinwande and Oliver McCall, neither who wanted to fight him, and then he got stiffed in the first fight with Holyfield. But he didn't perform well in the rematch and he got lazy and careless in the first fight with Rahman.

I don't know, I'm a bit ambivalent about him.

 

I was looking for Marlon Starling v Tommy Ayers but it was nowhere to be found. I did light upon Marlon Starling v Simon Brown, however, which was fought at a high-skilled pace. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Starling
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Starling
Round 4: 10-9 Starling
Round 5: 10-9 Brown
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Starling
Round 8: 10-9 Starling
Round 9: 10-9 Starling
Round 10: 10-9 Starling
Round 11: 10-9 Starling
Round 12: 10-9 Brown

Total: 118-112 Starling (actual scores: 115-113 and 116-112 both for Starling and 116-112 for Brown for a split decision win for Starling.

What made this a bit haywire in the scoring was the fact that, although Brown threw far more punches, Starling kept up his high peek-a-boo guard and was picking off many of them. When Starling threw, he made every one count. So it could be a bit different by the angle of the ring your on also. I felt Starling's cleaner shots took the fight, but Brown was in every round with a high volume of punches.

 

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/lennox-lewis-vs-evander-holyfield-2-scorecards.654140/

 

Great that you took time to seek this out. Interesting fight. Never seen it but remember some mild controversy.

Always had a soft spot for George Chaplin, a journeyman who had a skill set and made the name guys work for it. Only lately did I realize he fought a couple of times for the USA as an amateur — even if it was the B or C team, that’s pretty good.

I think I kept up with him because the first ESPN fight I ever saw (not the first fight I ever watched on TV, but the first on that network) — 12-round decision over Wendell Bailey for the Maryland heavyweight title in mid-November 1979. How I remember watching that particular fight I’m not sure, but we got ESPN added for our local cable outlet like the week before because it was the only channel carrying the Alabama-LSU football game (I was living in Alabama) and there was huge interest.

So I’ll keep my eye out to see if you find the second Page-Chaplin fight.

 

Awesome. Thanks, Pat.

 

Re-watced and scored Canelo-Lara.

Round 1: 10-9 Lara
Round 2: 10-9 Lara
Round 3: 10-9 Lara
Round 4: 10-9 Canelo
Round 5: 10-9 Canelo
Round 6: 10-9 Lara
Round 7: 10-9 Canelo
Round 8: 10-9 Canelo
Round 9: 10-9 Lara
Round 10: 10-9 Lara
Round 11: 10-9 Lara
Round 12: 10-9 Canelo

Overall: 115-113 Lara

I scored it for Lara but it wasn't a robbery. A lot of these rounds could've gone either way. I still have no problem with a split decision win for Canelo. According to Boxrec, the average score from 89 media scorecards was 114-114. 34 of the 89 gave the fight to Canelo, 30 gave it to Lara, and 25 scored it a draw. (https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Saul_Alvarez_vs._Erislandy_Lara).

Canelo deserves a lot of credit for taking this fight given his youth and the fact that Lara was in his prime. I personally think this is the best win on Canelo's resume besides GGG.

 

Erik Morales W12 InJin Chi

This was a mildly entertaining fight, which allowed me to gain a bit more appreciation for the offensive output from Morales. Here he wings hooks and plenty of uppercuts in addition to the ever-present jabs and right hands. I'd always thought of him as more of a quicker, less fragile version of Danny Lopez, relying almost solely on the jab and straight right.

Chi, for his part, has a ridiculous chin and plenty of spirit to go with his ungainly attack. It vanks him a round here and there, but Morales is clearly a cut above.

In the sixth, a clash of heads cuts and swells Erik's left eye, and he takes the rest of the round to collect himself. He immediately comes out steadier in the 7th though, and spends the rest of the bout timing Chi's rushes. That chin on the Korean, though. Guh. It keeps him in the fight but Morales is the clear-cut winner.

Morales: 1,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11
Chi: 2,6,12

117-111 Morales

 

Here is a bit of nostalgia for you. The first fight between Michael Dokes and Ossie Ocasio, which for some reason, I didn't see live back in the day. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Dokes
Round 2: 10-9 Ocasio
Round 3: 10-9 Ocasio
Round 4: 10-9 Ocasio
Round 5: 10-9 Dokes
Round 6: 10-9 Dokes
Round 7: 10-9 Dokes
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Dokes
Round 10: 10-9 Ocasio

Total: 96-95 Dokes (actual scores: 98-96 Dokes, 97-96 Ocasio and 96-96 Even, for a Draw decision)

The commentating team were real Ocasio cheerleaders at times, but to tell you the truth, he was explosive but simply didn't do enough of anything else. After the early rounds where he was firing haymakers at Dokes, he simmered down and that's when Dokes began doing a bit more. Although I had Dokes up by a point, I thought the draw decision was just.

 

Revisited DLH vs Quartey.

Had it 115-114 to Oscar, forgot that whilst not excellent throughout, still a very entertaining fight. Admittedly there were two rounds I could not split.