Well its a myth that says that he was stronger then george which is a lie since it never was shown in ring I wouldn't say son was that strong
That's the spirit. Encourage people to freely post thoughts without any fear of criticism. I'm only putting down what I've read a few times. Not claiming it's definitely true but I have read of a few instances, including Dempsey in his book, where he attributes unusual strength to hard labour and graft. This thread here might be worth a look before you dismiss the idea out of hand. https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...keep-my-fighting-muscles-article-file.631589/ There is definitely a notion of 'farm boy strength'. I've seen it mentioned multiple times. You're the only person I've ever known, in fact, who doesn't think such work improved their strength. Perhaps you're just unusually weak. And Earnie Shavers definitely says that tossing hay bales aided his punch power. Are you really not open to the suggestion that it might have improved your strength if you too had been a bit more of a tosser?
never went anywhere just cause you dont see me doesnt mean im not reading never have i went anywhere for that reason you people need me the one who keeps it more raw then anybody who else will do my job
I was watching Anthony Joshua vs Uysk and I saw it. I finally saw it. This advanced movement, it's a thing. I'm teachable.
He threw Patterson around like a ragdoll, but Ali control led him without much trouble. Foreman was the only one I saw Ali struggle to hold on too, though
At 190+ Floyd was a fairly standard size for a HW for the time. But my point was that Liston, unlike Foreman, didn't muscle around the bigger HWs of the day.
When you hear scientists talk about developing strength they often talk about the importance of an active life style up to the age of the 15, that much of the body's capacity is molded during the main years of your growth, which also makes sense intuitvely. So people doing heavy labour when young - whether it be at a farm, in a factory or in mines - might develop a strength you can't do when your body is mature. The UFC HW champ, N'Gannou, is a good example of this. And Jeffries attributed the difference in strength between Fitz and Corbett to the hard work Fitz did as young, for what it's worth. On the other hand this might plausible also make you wear out earlier.
Like someone else commented in this thread, I think the physical presence of Liston was just as imposing as his strength. Like you said guys like Louis, Johnson, Wladimir and Lewis could be considered a counter-part to Liston's strength. But none of them imposed their physicality on an opponent quite like Liston did. Liston's stare down, the size of his arms and chest, and his fists especially were like cannonballs. If Liston's strength is overrated I think it is because of aesthetic attributes. Nevertheless he was one of the hardest hitters the division has ever seen imo.
Then we have exponentially regressed on our domectication skills. Also deer must have had chemical assistance because that is far more muscle mass than any juicing/gear program could ever achieve. Maybe aliens provided genetic manipulation?
God, stop being such a sook. I have lived on a farm, I did hard labour for 8 hours a day year round I shovelled, tossed hay bails, split wood, wheel barrowed, did brick laying, broke up the ground with a giant steel crow bar... I am trying to illustrate I did all the usual "Farm strength" regimes I was stronger then someone who didn't, but in the gym I was hardly better then the average noob next to me expect for benching because I did push ups from a very young age.... It's nonsense, Unusually weak? I barbell OHP 135lbs the first time I walked into the gym before ever going to the farm for what that's worth. Perhaps just maybe Dempsey just wasn't "Unusually strong" shocking right? and all those guys who just did manual labour aren't either compared to someone who you know trains for strength?
Deer just had a better work ethic back then. More grit. It was a hard time, and hard times make hard deer.
